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10/08/2007 8:55 PM Alert 
I thought the "floor dancing" was a stroke of genius. it was totally different, it was a risk, and it worked. For me. And evidently for a lot of other people too. It was part of what made the judges sit up and take notice, and by that time, I think she reallyreallyreally wanted to make it to the top two so she was willing to go for broke.

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10/08/2007 9:44 PM Alert 
Posted By groucho on 10/08/2007 8:55 PM
I thought the "floor dancing" was a stroke of genius. it was totally different, it was a risk, and it worked. For me. And evidently for a lot of other people too. It was part of what made the judges sit up and take notice, and by that time, I think she reallyreallyreally wanted to make it to the top two so she was willing to go for broke.

No question about it groucho. In fact just selecting BHATCT was genius. The right song at the right time, it transported her into the finale almost as certainly as SOTR did.

BTW trsf, I wouldn't sell CRoCS short. It's the kind of song that demands a great singer, but then repays the singer with beautiful magic. As Paula said (don't sell her short either), only Kat could pull it off.

Unfortunately even an amazing talent like Kat can't make truely mediocre material shine!

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Posted By trsf on 10/08/2007 8:40 PM

BHATCT isn't one of my top faves, but for me that and CRoCS were the best examples of Kat elevating middling material. CRoCS is at best a so-so standard, but made outstanding through Kat's vocal interpretation and stage presence. BHATCT under KT Tunstall has a slightly creepy vibe, but on the show Kat makes the song more inviting without losing its edge. I thought the floor dancing was bizarre, though.

All we need now are those songs by great writers and musicians who would work with Katharine minute by minute, realizing her superior vocal ability, to make those songs even greater.

That's the problem. It seems that there aren't many great songs being written these days, and for those few great songs there are many good talents fighting for them.



Kat could do a CD with mix of original tunes and also tap into the huge archive of standards/broadway songs by the great tunesmiths!After all...she did terrific interpretations of some oldies on AI and manged to make a hit out of a song that was over half a century old!!There are also some wonderful singer-songwriter numbers like Me and Mary Jane.I'm guessing David Foster might be inspired to write some original tracks for Kat!As with the acoustic videos,we need to hear that pure, lovely voice unencumbered by too much studio technology!
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10/09/2007 10:10 AM Alert 
I LOVE Come Rain or Come Shine. i guess those of us who've been wanting that standards album can talk about it now without getting shouted down and accused of being fossils who want her to ruin her career just for us. But I never thought she fit into the current pop princess mold, although I still think it's a damn shame that some of the songs on the debut album will probably never get as wide an audience as I think they deserved. Or maybe they're out there cruising along under the radar, and someday will start surfacing as background music here and there. NUG already did that briefly on AI6 and that worked, even if they never did credit her for it. And it's still fun to watch YouTube vids of dance classes prancing away to Open Toes. And any time she needs a nice ballad that isn't OTR, she can always use Home, which is at least HER song. The songs are out there, just not quite where we always envisioned them being.

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10/09/2007 1:40 PM Alert 
I really hope Katharine does become the female version of John Mayer. He definately has his own style that is easily to recognize and his songs are original. Although the style and subject matter of his songs are more adult contemporary, several of his songs have eventually made it to pop top 40. So I take it that she will finally develop her sound and style, which is just what I have wanted from the get go. Of course, I could be completely wrong, in that she could be proposing that she do an album of John Mayer songs, sounding exactly like John Mayer...in which case I will slit both wrists and jump in front of a truck from an airplane!
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10/09/2007 9:10 PM Alert 

Well, I said CRoCS was a so-so standard, not a terrible one. There are IMO some truly awful standards, though I can't think of one right now. (Personally, I can't stand Cheek To Cheek, but I wouldn't label it terrible.) The following 2 performances seem closest to Kat in caliber and style (not as a ballad, unlike most interpretations), but Katharine tops both AFAIC:

Judy Garland - 1956
Kathy Kirby - 1971

I thought I had a decent understanding of the standards, but besides the well-known STWOM, Kat sang 3 mid to up-tempo numbers (SIFFY, CRoCS, AGNBTB) I wasn't familiar with, during competition weeks where she could've easily avoided the standards, which was all the more impressive since (IMO) it's easier to sound good (or at least passable) on a ballad than on a faster piece. And it was amazing that she could sing "Someone to Watch Over Me," which is frequently covered with lyrics that make it almost impossible to sound bad, and still take it to another level. All this was like an unintentional tease to those of us who were anticipating that sort of album.

Strategically, I don't know what type of record Katharine should make next. Selfishly, I'd prefer for it to be standards and/or a decent dose of balladry. Part of me thinks she should finish what she started in the pop arena, though.

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Posted By trsf on 10/09/2007 9:10 PM

Strategically, I don't know what type of record Katharine should make next. Selfishly, I'd prefer for it to be standards and/or a decent dose of balladry. Part of me thinks she should finish what she started in the pop arena, though.



Please, don't give us a whole album full of Do What You Do. She is never going to be that Miss Living On The Edge character it takes to sell stuff like that. I have a feeling sliding across a table top and licking cake icing off her finger is about as edgy as she gets. That might have been considered racy back in my youth, but... well, enough said.

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10/10/2007 11:08 AM Alert 
Posted By groucho on 10/10/2007 10:33 AM
Posted By trsf on 10/09/2007 9:10 PM

Strategically, I don't know what type of record Katharine should make next. Selfishly, I'd prefer for it to be standards and/or a decent dose of balladry. Part of me thinks she should finish what she started in the pop arena, though.



Please, don't give us a whole album full of Do What You Do. She is never going to be that Miss Living On The Edge character it takes to sell stuff like that. I have a feeling sliding across a table top and licking cake icing off her finger is about as edgy as she gets. That might have been considered racy back in my youth, but... well, enough said.



Believe me, at least in the circles that I'm in, that if Kat put an album full of "Do What You Do's" or similar, she would be lucky to sell 100,000 units.  It was an experiment, it really didn't work, and she should learn from it.... That is if she wants to have a viable recording career.

Don't take this wrong, but a couple of those type of songs on her CD kinda reminded me when Pat Boone recorded his "Heavy Metal" album a few years ago.  An experiment, a curiosity, but certainly not a long-term recording style.

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10/11/2007 4:16 PM Alert 
I don't think pop necessarily implies an album full of "Do What You Do"-type songs. And I would hope that urban doesn't automatically mean cringe-worthy lyrics. Songs in the vein of OI, EO, EIG, and Neglected I can handle. If Kat makes another drastic change in style, I'm concerned it might be like she's starting all over again and tossing out whatever progression made or experience gained in her current path.

One last thing about CRoCS - the lyrics are fine, but the melody is a bit weak. It's funny that My Funny Valentine has the reverse situation - excellent melody, somewhat odd lyrics. Yet there have been so many great performances of that song (including 2 of the best ever on Idol) that it's maybe become bigger than it deserves. All IMO.

Anyway, to get back on topic, can anyone point me to something good from John Mayer that might fit Katharine's style?
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Posted By trsf on 10/11/2007 4:16 PM
I don't think pop necessarily implies an album full of "Do What You Do"-type songs. And I would hope that urban doesn't automatically mean cringe-worthy lyrics. Songs in the vein of OI, EO, EIG, and Neglected I can handle. If Kat makes another drastic change in style, I'm concerning it might be like she's starting all over again and tossing out whatever progression made or experience gained in her current path.

One last thing about CRoCS - the lyrics are fine, but the melody is a bit weak. It's funny that My Funny Valentine has the reverse situation - excellent melody, somewhat odd lyrics. Yet there have been so many great performances of that song (including 2 of the best ever on Idol) that it's maybe become bigger than it deserves. All IMO.

Anyway, to get back on topic, can anyone point me to something good from John Mayer that might fit Katharine's style?


Good and John Mayer shouldn't be in the same sentence..............
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10/11/2007 5:46 PM Alert 
Well, Kat was quoted by MTV News as saying:

"I'll probably be making a much different record next time around," McPhee told MTV News during a Tuesday interview. "Maybe more adult. I definitely have thoughts and ideas; maybe more like the female version of John Mayer... I haven't put much thought into it, but the wheels are turning."

She did say that she hasn't put much thought into it, so who knows what she will end up doing. However, I think she could do a lot worse than being the "female version of John Mayer." Here's a little information about John Mayer quoted from Bill Lamb of About.com:

"John Mayer is a top pop-rock-blues singer-songwriter as well as an accomplished guitarist."

"Room for Squares:
A March, 2000 appearance at the South by Southwest festival in Austin, Texas led to a major label recording contract with Aware, a subsidiary of Columbia. The resulting album, Room for Squares, was released in September, 2001. It eventually climbed to #8 on the album chart and sold over 4 million copies making John Mayer a star. The album includes the top 20 pop hit singles "No Such Thing" and "Your Body Is a Wonderland."

Heavier Things:
John Mayer spent the next 2 years touring, which resulted in the live album Any Given Thursday, and preparing the followup to Room for Squares. In September, 2003, Heavier Things appeared. It included the Grammy Award winning song "Daughters" and the album became Mayer's first to hit #1. Mayer found himself in demand for musical collaborations, and he has worked with artists ranging from Maroon 5 to Rob Thomas and Sheryl Crow.

Continuum:
John Mayer went back to the studio in 2006 to record another solo album. Seeing Continuum as part of a trilogy that includes Room for Squares and Heavier Things, Mayer said "With any trilogy, the third in the series blows it open." The new album was preceded by the top 40 pop hit single "Waiting on the World to Change." Continuum was released September 12, 2006."

Now "Gravity", which he wrote, is getting air play. So what is wrong with pop-blues-rock? I think Kat would sound great singing this type of music. No I don't think she should adapt Mayer's hit to "My Body Is a Wonderland" or anything like that. It's just that it is her decision and being fans we should respect what ever type of music she picks for her next album. She has obviously heard some of John Mayer's music and feels she might like to try something similar. You know as well as I do that she can sing ANYTHING. Just give her a chance!
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10/11/2007 9:39 PM Alert 
Whatever makes Kat feel at home when she's singing is what she should do. All of her passion and talent will shine through and the fans of her musical choice will be there to applaud. After all the happiness she's given to all of us, I just want her to wake up every day and be happy with whatever she's doing.

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Posted By shaq91 on 09/21/2007 8:26 PM
why adult though? i guess it goodbye to mtv & trl for sure. and hello to vh1 & AC radio station. why kat why? i dont want to hear celine dion & barbra streisand type of slow depressin music from kat, i want songs like LS & OT, no The Way We Were & Papa Can You Hear Me.

She wants a career like Barbra Streisand (movies, broadway and recording)...I don't think she's going to be singing "The Way We Were" lol . I'm thinking maybe something in between Beyonce and Barbra..which is miles of territory. 

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10/12/2007 2:03 PM Alert 

OK, I listened to all of the songs Katsfan1 listed. I remember "No Such Thing" now - that was right before I gave up on radio/MTV/VH1. ('I want to rock the halls of my high school...' ) "Gravity" actually is pretty similar in style to "Better Off Alone". Other than that, I can see that John Mayer hasn't altered his music that much (at least in his radio hits) from when he first became a star. He's got that "pretty boy, kiss the girls and make them cry" sensitive thing going that girls love and guys despise.  I think Kat can do this kind of music, though it's kind of hard for me to envision how it would sound from her.

"No Such Thing"

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While I don't "despise" John Mayer, I don't really enjoy his performing style. His songs are top-notch, as long as anyone else performs them. I think Kat could really do wonders with material in the same vein.
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