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09/05/2007 1:49 AM Alert 
I don't agree that Kat can't be a Pop star being herself. In fact, I think she will get a lot farther being herself than immitating Beyonce, or Christina, or any other established artist. She does an awfully good job sounding like other people, but she needs to be herself. Cllive Davis told her that she needed her own sound, but she didn't listen. At least I don't hear much of it on her CD. Don't get me wrong, I like her CD and her videos, but as someone said, she could sing the phone book and I would like it and buy it. However, I don't see her attracting many new fans unless she has a sound and style that are genuinely her own. She has a beautiful voice and I hope to hear much more of it in the future, but I want it to sound like Katharine McPhee, not someone else!
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09/05/2007 6:44 AM Alert 
GB is exactly right. Pop is all about image.
Kat makes a very unconvincing 'bad girl'.
And 'good girls' appeal only to the Disney crowd.

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09/05/2007 8:08 AM Alert 
Well Hillary Duff isn't doing that bad, and Christina and even Brittany had large fan bases before they went for a more sexy image, but I was thinking more like Kelley Clarkson who sounds like...Kelly Clarkson. I haven't followed her, but when I hear her voice I recognize her, I don't get her confused with Beyonce or Fergie or Avril or anyone else. I think up until her latest release, it has been a combination of great voice and good song choice. I think in the past she's had some help picking her songs, but it worked for her. I don't think she is categorized as a "bad girl". I think Kat, with a little help on song choice, could do just as good or better, but not by trying to be someone else. There are probably better examples than Kelly, but I just can't think of one now.
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09/05/2007 9:22 AM Alert 
Katharine's day will come. She is a multi-talented star and it won't be long before she will be "THE" most sought after starKatharine Fans just need to keep the MCPHEEVER alive and keep voting and requesting her

Some people come into our lives and quickly go.Others stay for a while and leave footprints on our hearts and we are never the same. That my friends is Katharine McPhee
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09/05/2007 10:00 AM Alert 
I don't think Kelly is quite the bad girl in the Fergie mode, but some of her biggest songs have been just bursting with give 'em hell attitude. And she can project that just fine. She doesn't get sleazy, but she can show a rough edge that feels believable. I just can't see that coming from Katharine. She's got a whole different vibe. She can push it beyond squeaky clean, but it will never be that come-and-get-me-if-youre-man-enough or who-needs-you tough gal thing. It's just different.

I just watched the Future Sex Love Show on HBO and Justin does the same thing. I have nothing but respect for his many talents. He's an incredible showman, gets the audience in the palm of his hand, and earns whatever they're paying him. He can sing, dance like he hasn't got a bone in his body, and play at least two instruments that I saw. But I think they love him for his in-your-face attitude. He drops f-bombs, flips the world the bird, drinks onstage (well, he said it was booze, who knows), bumps and grinds with female dancers, grabs his crotch more than Michael Jackson, and just generally acts like Mr. Bad Boy. And it works. For him. Because he does some of that offstage as well, and people know it.

And we want to take Miss I've Wanted To Be Pregnant All My Life, who stays with the same guy forever, says she's never done drugs, and actually wears underwear in public to do... what? Never work. Just my opinion.

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09/05/2007 12:21 PM Alert 

Right, Kelly doesn't have that "bad girl" image and she is successful at Pop, which is what I was saying. I wouldn't want Kat to try to sound like her either, just to be herself rather than trying to fit in to someone else's mold. She needs her own style. She's got the voice. With the right songs, the right beat, she would be the bomb! I'm not saying it wouldn't take time and a full time effort on her part, but I really think it would work.

If I had to find an example right now to prove my point, I guess I would pick Elliott Yamin.  You can't tell me this guy is a "bad boy" with the sexy moves.  He has taken a nice voice and a quiet personality and peddled it to as many as three radio stations a day all summer long.  He has taken what he has and worked very hard at promoting himself as a singer and it seems to be paying off.  I don't really like his current music that much, but I have to admit that what he is doing is working.  Look at Mediabase 24/7 if you don't believe me...and he isn't immitating Justin Timberlake!  ...or anyone else that I am aware of.   He seems to be on his way to becoming a successful recording artist being himself and working hard at that objective. 

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09/05/2007 1:32 PM Alert 
Can you choose between whom you like.  I like each one for who they are.

I like Kat for who she is. She is the same wonderful and gifted Kat whether or not she's on Top 40, acting pregnant, singing "Love Story" or winning awards... The road to OZ with Kat in the past year has been bumpy,  never dull.  I sure enjoy being on this rollercoaster ride with Kat so far!!

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09/05/2007 1:49 PM Alert 
She's a wonderful, talented person, that's for sure. It's just that people were complaining that she wasn't on Z100, or any other radio station for that matter. I was just adding my 2 cents worth (I miss her great voice sometimes). It could be that her CD is just fine and she just didn't pick the right song for the single. I know "Over It" was tested before they released it and it sort of worked, there may be more that tested okay, or are potential hits and just weren't tested. Then again, maybe not being on the radio is Okay with Kat anyway. Maybe the CD was just a stepping stone to movies. Who knows what her dreams are anyway? I'll stop for now and go back to work and voting for TRL...is anyone else still doing that?
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09/05/2007 10:03 PM Alert 
I hate briteny. its sad when people would rater request briney, than Kat's amazing songs. Love Story is a great song. Kat should be doing better she deserves it.
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09/06/2007 11:40 PM Alert 
Posted By Pheenomenon on 09/04/2007 2:22 PM

I'm not sure what Katharine wants.

She has talked up every song she has performed, from BOA at the rose parade, Over It, Love Story. Of course she must talk them up when they are current. Then afterwards she has trashd Over It. She initially said that this was exactly the album she wanted to make but then later she has indicated at least half of it is not of her choice and she had to compromise.

She is (mostly) being diplomatic and trying not to say anything too negative about her own album.

I find it hard to believe that after 20 years of musical training an by the songs she chose to sing on Idol that her first choice o new music to make would be a lot tracks bought "off the rack" and then overproduced in the studio by people who's main talent is to make people without any talent sound good.

Anway, that is mostly what she got! I'm sure she would have been swayed by all of these experts in the studio.

It isn't even that the songs are bad, just the over done arrangements. These same songs done more like we have heard them in VH1 and AOL sessions would have been a better showcase for her talent.

Of course then some say those would have bombed even worse.

Anyway, I just hope the next record takes a very different tack and she decides not to try to be the next Britney or Beyonce or Fergie.

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Nice to see some of the old "Phee fire" I miss seeing you at  IDF. 


I think the songs on Katharine's album are very  vocally challenging songs and, of course, we can debate if they utilize her gifts to the best end or not but the number of people in pop music who could sing these songs the way Katharine does (  be it CD version, live versions, or acoustic versions) could be counted on one hand.   Rihanna is actually a better singer than I thought and she doesn't  lip sync all the time. Now GB, I will concede that Britney is a master of the heavy breathing but he singing is so limited (like Madonna before her) that  it is very much apples and oranges.     Pop music is about beats and hooks, not vocal, in fact great vocals sort of get in the way.

This is a bit off topic but earlier this week Beyonce's tour came through the Bay Area, I read a review in the local paper,  and her set was two hours long and she sang a total of 30 songs.  I have never felt that if Katharine was in the position of  a Beyonce  to be  a headliner on a major tour that her voice would hold up for something like that,  2 hour sets for 45 or 50 dates in a typical big tour, hell she was hoarse a lot just doing these radio sets and acoustic recording  gigs.
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09/07/2007 12:07 AM Alert 
Well, Carrie Underwood has a very good girl image, and she's surpassing some of the established names.
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09/07/2007 12:10 AM Alert 
Whatever happened to David Foster? He was a hugh and enthusiastic Kat fan to the point that he didn't want to discuss Taylor. Kat should have taken David's offer. If she did, I'm about 90% sure that her sales would be in the stratosphere (but maybe Kat won't be happy).
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Posted By McObsessed on 09/07/2007 12:07 AM
Well, Carrie Underwood has a very good girl image, and she's surpassing some of the established names.


Carrie started out being country. That's a whole other world. Am I wrong, or didn't she start out with singles like Jesus Take The Wheel and something else before she hit us in the chops with Before He Cheats?  But then I don't see Over It as such a radical departure from Idol either. It's not like K. started out with something like Do What You Do. Y'know, the more I think, the confuseder I get.

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09/07/2007 9:24 PM Alert 
Posted By Katsfan1 on 09/05/2007 12:21 PM

If I had to find an example right now to prove my point, I guess I would pick Elliott Yamin.  You can't tell me this guy is a "bad boy" with the sexy moves.  He has taken a nice voice and a quiet personality and peddled it to as many as three radio stations a day all summer long.  He has taken what he has and worked very hard at promoting himself as a singer and it seems to be paying off.  I don't really like his current music that much, but I have to admit that what he is doing is working.  Look at Mediabase 24/7 if you don't believe me...and he isn't immitating Justin Timberlake!  ...or anyone else that I am aware of.   He seems to be on his way to becoming a successful recording artist being himself and working hard at that objective. 


No, Elliott's no 'bad boy', but then he isn't trying to compete with the bad boys. He has his own style, which is at odds with everything else in the pop world. And believe it or not, people like it and are buying it! Good for Elliott!  Who knows, maybe if Kat had put put an album of her own soulful tunes it would be doing just as well.

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09/07/2007 9:36 PM Alert 
Posted By McObsessed on 09/07/2007 12:07 AM
Well, Carrie Underwood has a very good girl image, and she's surpassing some of the established names.

Carrie's a country singer, and the one pop song on her album- 'Some Hearts'- pretty much flopped on the pop charts. 'Before He Cheats' is purely a country tune, and like the fourth single from her album. And it is a successful crossover hit because it's such a good song. Which just goes to show it's the SONG that makes a #1 hit. Not the marketing, not the image, not the promotion, not even the genre! A REALLY good song will make it to the top of the charts if given the chance. I knew just how good 'Before He Cheats' was the first time I heard it more than 2 years ago, and believe me when I say Kat just doesn't have any songs of the same caliber on her album. Why? I don't know, but songs that good aren't written every day. Not even every other day.

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09/08/2007 1:47 AM Alert 
I guess I'm confused as hell as to Kat's reactions and comments about the singles on her album, while she maintained on the EPK that all the songs are cohesive with one another, she goes on to say some wildly different things when OI was released. I was also really surprised about her reactions to Home and OW, especailly now that the earlier is doing heavy rounds on upscale radio stations here in the P.I.

I'm guessing this is one record that she did want to make, but had to compromise with the record label and with whomever, and the results of that compromise are what we're seeing now, few radio airplay, unenthusiastic support from the label, etc. I'm just somewhat relieved that she is dabbling in movies, at least she has something to keep her career afloat. Whatever direction she chooses to go.

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09/10/2007 1:53 AM Alert 
Well, after tonight's MTV Video Awards--people may not be requesting Britney's singles at a fever's pace any longer. Anybody who witnessed her performance tonight saw something akin to the Titanic going down or worse.

Apologies for getting in late on this complex convo. I always find it interesting that so many people wallow in wondering why certain things happen in the entertainment industry when so many things CAN be done to reverse it. One of those steps is boycotting. Yet, despite so many people wanting change in the fields of movies, TV and music...a lot of people just don't bother to boycott. Reasons for that, of course, involve being too busy in the times we live in. A lot of parents in families are working multiple jobs or stressed out to take the time to stop buying a certain product, not go to a certain movie or not buy a certain CD. Then, when you have kids who nag on a parent to buy them the latest, hip CD of a particular artist (because their friends have it...which equals MUST HAVE)--you really compound the ineffectiveness of not buying something due to the pressure.

So, while we also blame strange circumstance or the corporations for not getting Kat to where she deserves to be--it's also primarily the people out there and being sheep to what their friends do. It's all the process of Memetics that you'll study in Marketing if you ever take a course in the subject. I guess you still have to blame the corporations--because they instigate the process through marketing. Then the consumer snowballs the process by purchasing what those initial people bought.

Kat is fortunate in that she may have found a niche now where she can consolidate her talents if she finds the usual road in the music industry tough sledding. I've said before that making movies means she can do soundtrack albums that frequently get hit singles and/or awards. Barbara Streisand had numerous hit soundtrack albums in the 70's that contained some of her best known hits of that decade. Since Kat said she wants to follow the lead of Streisand--she probably has that idea in mind now. And soundtrack albums allow a lot more diversity without worrying about finding which CD bin you're supposed to be place in. Soundtrack albums have their own bins in the record stores. It also increases the chance of Kat winning not just one Golden Globe (or Oscar)--but two in one night for acting and Best Song (assuming she's a writer on the song).

Just let the Britneyfication of radio flow off your back. Let the people be sheep until they get pounded over the head with the truth of how bad it truly is as they witnessed tonight on MTV. I've seen enough evidence in the entertainment world that those with deserving talent get ahead eventually--even if the other side wins temporarily...despite forgetting how to lip synch or dance.
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Posted By Gregoriancant on 09/10/2007 1:53 AM
Well, after tonight's MTV Video Awards--people may not be requesting Britney's singles at a fever's pace any longer. Anybody who witnessed her performance tonight saw something akin to the Titanic going down or worse.


Britney's performance last night was not nearly as bad as what the media has made of it.  I saw it twice and it looked like just what it was, an artist that has been away from performing for 4 years.  I don't care what anybody else says, her song is catchy.  Meltdown or no meltdown, I don't think we have heard the last of Ms. Spears musically.  I still like her, LiLo and of course Kat, all for completely different reasons.
Maybe it's because of my music background, but I think it futile to compare one artist to another.  Each has their strengths and weaknesses.... Yes, including our Dear Kat.
I'm a strong believer that she is ill suited for Pop... If that's what she wants to do, fine..... but not market it like a normal artist would.  Hand it out as a gift when people go to her next movie; or sell it herself on an indie label.  If she wants to play in the big leagues and be a player in the music business (which I doubt every passing day) almost any genre would work better than Pop.
If she would jump into the field with the Holly Cole's, Jane Monheit's and Diana Krall's; she would clean up. 
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Posted By Gregoriancant on 09/10/2007 1:53 AM
Well, after tonight's MTV Video Awards--people may not be requesting Britney's singles at a fever's pace any longer. Anybody who witnessed her performance tonight saw something akin to the Titanic going down or worse.



Well I'm with you Greg,  and must respectfully disagree with GB,  I thought the performance was below par for an amateur production let alone a returning experience pro like Britney.

What I find truly astounding is some of the same crew that nitpicked Katharine's early Over It performances, such as the debut on Leno,  are now saying that Britney "knocked it out of the park" and "was amazing last night".   This song is pop trash and Britney still didn't do it justice.
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09/10/2007 3:25 PM Alert 

That performance was a cry for help. Britney is saying "look at me - I'm fat, I have no energy, I can't dance, I can't even lip synch, I'm hopeless, help me".

She became too famous too soon in life. And she hasn't yet learned the lesson that Katharine has already learned - Your career is just what you do, not who you are. When she grew out of being a "teen sex symbol" she lost herself.

Makes me almost glad for Katharine's limited success so far. She is going to have to work for it and appreciate everthing she gets and not just have it all handed to her like Britney did based on youth and looks.

And thanks to Mama Peisha for having the wisdom not to have forced Katharine to perform at an early age but to let her grow up fairly normally and experience all the let downs and disapointments in life that we all do.

As if Britney's performance wasn't bad enough, she was again photographed getting into a car *commando* after the show. She is not crying for help. She is screaming for it.

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Well, like they always say... different strokes for different folks...

All I have to say is ..... GIMME MORE


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Posted By GB3535 on 09/10/2007 4:17 PM
Well, like they always say... different strokes for different folks...

All I have to say is ..... GIMME MORE


Ha Ha



She already has, the paparazzi caught her next pantyless peep show leaving the the VMAs last night.  Check the most tasteless blogs near you  for pictures and video.

Oh, you meant music.

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Posted By CRB on 09/10/2007 5:02 PM
Posted By GB3535 on 09/10/2007 4:17 PM
Well, like they always say... different strokes for different folks...

All I have to say is ..... GIMME MORE


Ha Ha



She already has, the paparazzi caught her next pantyless peep show leaving the the VMAs last night.  Check the most tasteless blogs near you  for pictures and video.

Oh, you meant music.


Not necessarily.  I've been a fan of Brit's since her first album and I am going to continue to do so.  If she wants to go commando, that's her business.

I worked with her on one of her first tours and she was as sweet and nice to me as anyone could be, so I'm not about to knock anyone while they're down.  She's going through a tough time right now, but if anyone can come back, it's her.

I don't expect anyone to feel the same way, it's just the way I feel.

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09/10/2007 7:00 PM Alert 
I did not watch Britney's performance. I heard it stunk. Big time.

That will go down along with her strip tease performance, and her "kiss" with Christina Aguilera.

She is just a s about everything.

The other bad news was:
"Gimme More" was #1 at noon on Z-100 (WHTZ). That is how embrassing she is.
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09/10/2007 7:12 PM Alert 
I'm singing "I Have Nothing". It was made famous by Whitney Houston, and was actually written by David Foster.

Let's see Britney top Katharine McPhee's performance.
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Posted By william on 09/10/2007 7:12 PM
I'm singing "I Have Nothing". It was made famous by Whitney Houston, and was actually written by David Foster.

Let's see Britney top Katharine McPhee's performance.



Britney's numbers don't lie.  Hmmmm... Let me see; I'll go out on a limb here, but I bet the "train wreck" Britney new release outsells Kat's CD in probably a week or less.

I like Katharine; but there is plenty of room for other artists as well.  She is not the only artist on the face of the planet.

I see no useful purpose in trash talking Britney.  If you don't care for her, that is fine, but let us keep this discussion above board.

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09/10/2007 8:29 PM Alert 
And Britney's song, "Gimme More" was #1 at 9 on Z-100 (WHTZ) tonight.

Big whoop!!
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09/11/2007 2:57 AM Alert 
David Foster described Katharine McPhee as "Miss Universe with talent," so maybe Britney Spears should be called "Miss Teen South Carolina whose talent has gone missing."

Seriously, not to encourage any Britney bashing, but Ms. Spears is one of Kat's direct competitors in the crowded rhythmic pop space, along with Beyonce, XTina, Fergie, various girls from the Disney machine, etc., so if Brit's career goes in the tank, it could help Kat.
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