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10/14/2006 2:38 AM Alert 
I loved the performance personally.  It's one of my favorite Kat songs from Idol.  And I thought they, or I guess SHE performed it perfectly.  I can't imagine her getting so close to him that you thought that they might actually kiss.  I don't think Katharine was willing to do that (obviously).  I'm sure if that was actually a play or whatever...she would have played the role and done it.  But not for this.  It was HER stage to perform on and she was going to do the song how SHE wanted to.  The sassy little thing that she is.
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10/14/2006 2:49 AM Alert 
When I saw that performance, I thought that Meatloaf was off key a lot throughout the whole song. The only thing that made me continue to watch it was that Katharine was singing so beautifully. She wasn't only singing beautifully on IACBTMN, but also on every song during the Finale. That night Kat seemed to be having so much fun and I thought that night was Kat's best night of performances. It was great to see Kat so happy and not stressed out or nervous when she sang those songs. I am not really a fan of Meatloaf but even if he was off key at times, with Kat's help she made it a great performance.
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10/14/2006 3:11 AM Alert 
First off, I'm enjoying these microanalyses of Kat's AI performances, even though they were from several months ago by now and may be old news to some. Thanks to everybody who's contributed.

I'm a little surprised by all the unconditional praise - it seems obvious to me that they weren't on the same page. I think it could've worked either way, they just needed to be going toward the same direction. And I doubt Mr. Loaf was going for the Beauty and the Beast angle - "although he may not be the man some girls think of as handsome," the song seems to be about ex-lovers meeting up again, so wouldn't he have to be a credible romantic interest?

Kat might consider tweaking her duet stage performance a bit. During her song with Taylor, she sang "I've had the time of my life, and I owe it all to you", and then pointed to the audience, which is similar to her changing the focus during that big note with Meat Loaf (which was actually about 4 or 5 notes for him, all out-to-tune except maybe at the very end). It won't be difficult for her to fix, though, and she did have excellent stage chemistry with Taylor and Andrea Bocelli.

Here's Kat talking about Meat Loaf the day after the finale, mentioning that he wanted her on his album: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPcuVlv0vm4 . It's too bad it didn't work out, 'coz then we'd get to see her every day on those commercials hawking Meat Loaf's record. How's the ML-Marion Raven version doing on the charts?

And here's the Meat Loaf TV performance I mentioned earlier - no stage fright that I can see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9-j4Kt_gsY
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10/14/2006 10:37 AM Alert 
trst thanks for that day after Finale Show  interview at YouTube,  so the plot thickens a bit here with this new information, here is a  downloadable AVI file made from the ripped YouTube interview.

A tired Kat chooses her words carefully.   <====== Link  for download here.


Katharine states here that somebody told her that Meatloaf wanted her  to record the  IACBTM duet  for Bat Out Of Hell III, which I believe had already been recorded at that point.  Here is why: One of the albums studio musicians, drummer Kenny Aronoff,  said he was working in the studio in Febuary with Meatloaf for BOH 3.  So perhaps,  either this IACBTM  track hadn't been recorded by the end of May (doubtful), or Meatloaf watched Idol after being asked to perform with Kat  and said, "Holy cow, forget Marion Raven I've got to get this McPhee girl to do that song!"  Which to me seem the more likely scenario, if what Kat says is, in fact,  accurate and an offer was made.

I don't think for a minute that Meatloaf was going for the Beauty and the Beast thing.   He is like a lonely amorous Beast who doesn't  know yet he has become a  Beast.  It is just that his performance is so quirky and weird that Katharines reactions and "asides" to the audience seem totally appropriate.  Quite a few commentators the day after the Finale said Kat looked scared and they  felt for her.  She is pulling in the audience.  Look into those eyes, how can you not feel for her?


So the idea that "they are not on the same page" is totally valid on a couple levels:

1. Meatloaf wants Katharine to record IACBTM on BAH3 and likely do the video too. Kat, while initially interested/excited/flattered, has now  seen Meatloaf going "all out" at  rehearsals and sweating profusely during soundchecks and thinks she will opt for Bocelli/Foster route instead, thank you very much Mr. Loaf.

2. Meatloaf wants this song to play like a pure romance, two lovers finding each other after a dark period of separation. Kat's got other ideas: Meatloaf is an aging freakish "cowardly lion on acid", glaring and staring, attempting to dominate her. ( In this context that hyper-modulated tuneless opening vibrato actually works, making the audience empathize with Kat from the moment Meatloaf opens his mouth.)

3. The People interview that Kat gives immediately after the Finale show  makes sense in the context that it is her  public kiss-off to Meatloaf. She is saying, tacitly but unequivocally,, "There will be no IACBTM with Katharine McPhee on BAH3." And then a week or so  later a rejected Meatloaf goes  on Stern's show  and says, "Oh, she didn't get it anyway."  His protestations start  to take on the stench of  a  large cluster of  slightly-fermented sour grapes.

I thought the stage chemistry was powerful and worked well.  To my mind, the performance seemed tense, packed with an emotional energy that surpassed a contrived pairing on a reality show . 

In that "new" interview, you can almost feel Kat is just about to say something more about Meatloaf beyond her  "theatrical rocker dude" patter and then thinks better of it.  I think, in that moment, she made a wise choice.
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10/14/2006 10:46 AM Alert 

Well... I just watched Dead Ringer and I can see why Katharine might have had some misgivings about

performing with Mr. Loaf. Of course she says she didn't know anything about him, but I wonder if

somebody sneaked her some advice, like "Watch out if he gets closer than a foot from you because he

laid one on Patti Russo she'll never forget!" Hate to admit it, but the more I watch his videos, the more I

start turning into a ML fan again... dang, he sure goes for broke.

katpedia.com - watch and listen to Idol, pre-Idol, and post-Idol McPhee performances all in one convenient location

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Posted By groucho on 10/14/2006 10:46 AM
Well... I just watched Dead Ringer and I can see why Katharine might have had some misgivings about performing with Mr. Loaf. Of course she says she didn't know anything about him, but I wonder if somebody sneaked her some advice, like "Watch out if he gets closer than a foot from you because he laid one on Patti Russo she'll never forget!" Hate to admit it, but the more I watch his videos, the more I start turning into a ML fan again... dang, he sure goes for broke.

He sure does, the guy must be wiped out after  performances.

I couldn't resist watching a couple of those Meatloaf vids  over at YouTube myself,  I thought that original Bat Out Of Hell video was impressive, It is amazing how much different his voice sounded then,  it seemed slightly higher...and better, IMO.   But he was really heavy, I'm glad he got some of that weight off before he got old.  His doctors likely told him to because of his heart attack.

Kat and Meatloaf had thier "moment" and I am glad that I got to see it. 
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10/14/2006 1:43 PM Alert 
I've never been a huge fan of this performance. Even though Kat shines in it, Meatloaf's wayward vocal and stage presence made it strange to see ... and watch. It looked to me like Meatloaf was about to keel over, and their pairing was just ... odd. I saw what they were going for, but it didn't fully connect for me.


The best thing that came out of this performance, for me, was Kat's hilarious description of meeting him before the People crowd. In more ways than one, Kat was the diamond in the rough here.
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Posted By trsf on 10/14/2006 3:11 AM
I'm a little surprised by all the unconditional praise - it seems obvious to me that they weren't on the same page. I think it could've worked either way, they just needed to be going toward the same direction. And I doubt Mr. Loaf was going for the Beauty and the Beast angle - "although he may not be the man some girls think of as handsome," the song seems to be about ex-lovers meeting up again, so wouldn't he have to be a credible romantic interest?

Kat might consider tweaking her duet stage performance a bit. During her song with Taylor, she sang "I've had the time of my life, and I owe it all to you", and then pointed to the audience, which is similar to her changing the focus during that big note with Meat Loaf (which was actually about 4 or 5 notes for him, all out-to-tune except maybe at the very end). It won't be difficult for her to fix, though, and she did have excellent stage chemistry with Taylor and Andrea Bocelli.

I don't think the unconditional praise is that surprising. Who looked and sang like a professional that night? Katharine. Meatloaf didn't perform very well. I had friends, both younger and old, say that they felt bad for Katharine that she had to sing with him! TMZ.com reported that Scarlett Johansson dropped out of singing with Mealoaf on his album, "most likely due to his creepy acting with Katharine McPhee at the American Idol finale" (I'm not sure if thats a direct quote, but its close). The media thought he was weird, too. Even Robin asked on the Howard Stern show, "What happened to Meatloaf?"

Either way, I thought a lot of the duets were a mess that night. Katharine and Meatloaf's was the best, because of the intensity and passion that was conveyed. Plus, Katharine did sound beautiful, and whether or not they were on the same page, I think she handled the spectacle of it well.

I can't say whether or not Katharine needs to tweak her duet stage performances, as she really sailed on "Somos Novios" with Andrea Bocelli. I think she just knows her audience. Its entirely appropriate that she sing to the audience on American Idol. I didn't really feel that she was singing to "us" anyway in IACBTMN. It was very Broadway what she did with the song. With "Somos Novios", she didn't look into the camera at all.
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10/14/2006 2:16 PM Alert 
This is a review of the finale from MSNBC.com:

Lowlight: Meat Loaf. He wouldn’t have made it out of “Idol’s” Hollywood round with the performance he gave on Wednesday. Plus, the pairing with Katharine McPhee singing “It’s All Coming Back to Me Now” was just plain wrong on every level. He looked and sounded like a dirty old man singing to the pretty young girl with whom he has no shot.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12962061/
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10/14/2006 9:33 PM Alert 
For me, after hearing Kat's version.. It seems to me Marion is too amateur(remember Simon's said on AI)..
Yup, it's just different..But I still like the song. It's a beautiful and emotional song..And also the video is beautiful.. I was hoping it was Kat!

Btw, does anyone know how to download the full album version instead of the single version?
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10/17/2006 4:14 AM Alert 
I was hoping Kat would guest with Meat Loaf on his tour to reprise this song, but after seeing photos of him in action, not anymore. Meat Loaf makes that one front-row fan in Houston look positively timid. (ML appears to receive as much as he gives in the photos, but I don't believe Kat would be interested in that.)

No direct links, as this may not be work-friendly:
http://www.patti-rocks.com/
Click Photos, then click Patti Russo with Meat Loaf, then click on Toms River Fest, July 2006 (look for the 12th photo) or 'Hair Of The Dog' Tour 2005 (look for the 5th row of Bonn photos, or the last Hamburg photo).
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Kat sang superbly, and she's not to blame for Meat Loaf's singing problems (I thought he only made a few, but they were huge and occurred at the worst possible times), but aren't they collectively to blame if the acting doesn't make any sense? I know very little about acting, but isn't the goal to get the audience to suspend disbelief? Meat Loaf *looks* younger than Bocelli, and Kat looked totally convincing singing arm-in-arm with him at the JCPenney Jam, so for Kat to improvise a Beauty-and-the-Beast story seems unnecessary to me. (Although I don't agree that she was aiming for that - Kat's no saboteur.) However, I agree that it was the best duet of the finale, and Kat should get credit for acting out a vocal performance.

Anyways, it's a testament to Kat's abilities that 2 international stars with powerful, operatic-style voices would want to go note-for-note with her. It's especially funny that she got to do a Celine song (sorry Meat, she had a big hit with it first, and your single isn't significantly better, if at all) and the Christina Aguilera slot of another song, despite Randy's complaints about her not being that kind of singer.

Here's my personal ranking of Kat's duets. I excluded her performances w/Bocelli in those California concerts, since I haven't seen anything with enough audio/visual clarity to rate. Also, it's too bad Kat never got to sing that rock duet with Chris on the tour.

1) Somos Novios w/Bocelli, JC Penney Jam
2) IACBTMN w/Meat Loaf
3) I've Had the Time of my Life w/Taylor
4) Can't Help Falling in Love w/Bocelli

It'll be interesting to see the ML/Marion Raven single battling Kat/Bocelli on the AC charts.
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10/17/2006 7:18 AM Alert 
To me, Kat embodies all her promising talent with the Meatloaf duet ... The play to the camera, the intensity of her voice, her stance and the play around meatloaf acts to the drama of the piece.... Not only does her voice come through here, her acting talent also shines through.... I love the whole piece.... I saw the video with ML- it is good too, but somehow the intensity was not as "feltful" or "soulful" as compared to the version with Kat on AI finale..... On the other hand, Meatloaf sounds better on the video....
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Posted By trsf on 10/17/2006 4:14 AM

Kat sang superbly, and she's not to blame for Meat Loaf's singing problems (I thought he only made a few, but they were huge and occurred at the worst possible times), but aren't they collectively to blame if the acting doesn't make any sense? I know very little about acting, but isn't the goal to get the audience to suspend disbelief? Meat Loaf *looks* younger than Bocelli, and Kat looked totally convincing singing arm-in-arm with him at the JCPenney Jam, so for Kat to improvise a Beauty-and-the-Beast story seems unnecessary to me. (Although I don't agree that she was aiming for that - Kat's no saboteur.) However, I agree that it was the best duet of the finale, and Kat should get credit for acting out a vocal performance.

I think the 'Beauty and the Beast' or Phantom and Christine aspect of this performance is more the result of Meatloaf's forceful intensity (and subjectively creepy performance) combined with Kat's apparent innocence and vulnerability. I'm sure it's not what either of them were aiming for, but rather a result of circumstance, appearances, and their performing styles.
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Posted By bian on 10/17/2006 7:18 AM
To me, Kat embodies all her promising talent with the Meatloaf duet ... The play to the camera, the intensity of her voice, her stance and the play around meatloaf acts to the drama of the piece.... Not only does her voice come through here, her acting talent also shines through.... I love the whole piece.... I saw the video with ML- it is good too, but somehow the intensity was not as "feltful" or "soulful" as compared to the version with Kat on AI finale..... On the other hand, Meatloaf sounds better on the video....



I agree.  I love the way it was performed.  Meatloaf may say he doesnt like it, but I think if he put aside the way HE thought it should be and watched with an open mind; he would see the beauty in Kat's performance.  

Personally, having looked at those pictures somone posted the link to with patti russo performing with him...doesn't do a thing for me.    I think you can get the feel & the drama from the tone of your voice, the stance on stage, without the actual  more "physical" contact which some of those pictures showed.   I think that intimate touching is TOTALLY UNNECESSARY, and when performed in front of an audience is no longer "intimate" touching and something I could do without.  In my opinion it takes away from the song.    I think Kat was fantastic and that is one of my favorite performances.  (Notice I said ONE of my favorites.haha)
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A little bit of a change of pace here,  some It's All Coming Back To Me fashion news (and  a MeatLoaf mention at the fashon show last night):



etonline.com/fashion/news/37489/index.html

West Coast fashionistas caught the "McPhee-ver" Tuesday night as "American Idol" runner-up KATHARINE McPHEE walked the runway in a gorgeous, gold, empire-waisted, chiffon gown.

"It's my first fashion show!" a giddy Katharine told us before her L.A. Fashion Week debut. "I'm a little nervous. I just left the recording studio so it's like [going] from one whirlwind to another. I don't know exactly what to do!"

Katharine has been busy recording her first album, but she worked the catwalk like a pro, modeling fashions by one of her favorite L.A. designers, DINA BAR-EL. Dina made several dresses for Kat's crowd-pleasing appearances on "Idol," including a turquoise gown for her cover of "I Believe I Can Fly," and a black cocktail dress for her duet with special guest MEAT LOAF.

"The black dress I wore with Meat Loaf was just amazing," Kat says. "I just fell in love with her stuff right away and the way it fits my body. I think she knows how to dress a woman, especially a woman with curves, and women who are tall."



Dina, who's known for her evening wear, showed off lots of short cocktail dresses in rose pinks and ice blue stretch satin, along with animal prints and chiffons.

Across town, pop pin-up JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE turned up the volume with his WILLIAM RAST streetwear line, launched with pal TRACE AYALA. The star-studded event included Justin's girlfriend CAMERON DIAZ, "That '70s Show"'s WILMER VALDERRAMA, PATRICK DEMPSEY and PARIS and NICKY HILTON.

Skinny jeans, ankle boots and sweater dresses were the staples of the edgy show, which broke into a full-fledged, gymnastic dance-off mid-catwalk. Too bad Justin's former dance partner, BRITNEY SPEARS, wasn't there to see it!

L.A. Fashion Week runs through Thursday and showcases the designers' forecasts for Spring '07 styles.
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First, I want to say that I've thoroughly enjoyed reading this thread. It is obvious that there are a lot of intelligent, and very articulate Kat fans on this board...

I for one, really really enjoyed the Meat Loaf/ Kat performance and have watched it at least 50 times on my Tivo. To me it seems like they have performed it together for years... Kat was unbelievable. Too bad they didn't take the vote after Finale night, cuz I think Kat would have had a good chance to win - she was so on that night.

I have also listened to Meat Loaf's recorded version with that "other girl" and there's no comparison... he should have recorded it with Katharine!

... and loved the dress too - those pics above are great!
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Just a quick take on this since I watched both Celine Dion's & Meatloaf's versions of the song in their videos last night.  One, Katharine's vocals stand up to Celine's.  Now I don't think Katharine can do everything Celine does but...as far as "It's All Coming Back To Me"...yep, she at least matched Celine's vocals in my opinion.  And that's pretty impressive.

As for Meatloaf & Marion Raven.  Meatloaf sounded better, that's for sure but the girl...that Marion girl.  She has a good voice but she sounds so young and given the nature of the song...Katharine would have been a better fit.
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Posted By sjwolves on 10/19/2006 1:12 AM

Just a quick take on this since I watched both Celine Dion's & Meatloaf's versions of the song in their videos last night.  One, Katharine's vocals stand up to Celine's.  Now I don't think Katharine can do everything Celine does but...as far as "It's All Coming Back To Me"...yep, she at least matched Celine's vocals in my opinion.  And that's pretty impressive.

As for Meatloaf & Marion Raven.  Meatloaf sounded better, that's for sure but the girl...that Marion girl.  She has a good voice but she sounds so young and given the nature of the song...Katharine would have been a better fit.


I agree on both counts. In fact, I prefer Kat's vocals to Celines on this song. It's a great match for her voice, allowing Kat's rich, pure vocal timbre to be showcased. Celine's forte seems to be more 'soaring' vocals such as My Heart Will Go On.
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I just spent a lot of time watching old Meatloaf vids on YouTube and I feel like my opinion of him changes about
every ten minutes. No matter what he says, when I watch him actually performing, I am just mesmerized. I can't
get over the sheer energy and intensity and passion he pours into performing. I kept expecting him to tie that red
kerchief around his forehead so he wouldn't drown in his own perspiration. He makes videos that are dark and
brooding and full of weird death/Halloween images, and yet he himself is just so full of life, he roars and soars even
without his favorite prop (his motorcycle). He blows my mind.

Now, that picture above with Katharine standing amidst all the spotlights and "stars." There's something so arresting
about that shot, she looks li