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09/15/2006 12:41 PM Alert 
YouTube has the ML&Marion Raven video. The viisuals IMO are brilliant and one could only imagine what this could have been with Kat in it.

www.youtube.com/watch
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09/15/2006 1:26 PM Alert 
I've thought the same thing Cornelius. It gives me goosebumps, and to see Katharine playing that role in the video would have really been awesome, especially with the period costumes and scenery effects.
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09/15/2006 2:24 PM Alert 
A few comments on the performance from the performers:

Katharine McPhee

From TV Guide.com...

... her very first helping of Meat Loaf:

"I found out a few weeks before the finale [that he would be dueting on the finale]. I knew the name, but I didn't know what he looked like. He's this theatrical rocker dude! I've had a lot of theatrical experience in my life because I went to school for musical theater, but he was like a whole different level. He warned me, "I do things full-out every time." As soon as I brought the theatrical stakes up, we evened each other out. It was a cool piece."

From People.com Katharine entertaining reporters with tales of Meatloaf after finale:

Kat on Meatloaf @ YouTube

Same video for download in .mov format @ Sendspace:

www.sendspace.com/file/bbepez




Meatloaf

From RealityBlurred.com

“I swear to God I’ve been trying to remember what we did. I remember thinking, ‘How much longer do I have [before we go on]?’ They said 1 minute and 45 seconds. And that’s the last thing I remember until I was walking off the stage. I thought I was going to pass out. I’m not kidding. I cried like a baby. I’m surprised I didn’t have a heart attack. … I’d never sung that song live before. It was [almost] more than I could take. I felt like I had an alien busting out of my chest!”

This a recap of  the Howard Stern Show from 7-31-06  pertaining to the duet  with Kat  here:
www.marksfriggin.com/news06/7-31.htm

Howard asked Meatloaf about the performance he did with Katherine McPhee on American Idol. He said his monitor was off for the first three lines of the song so that's why he sounded so bad that night. He was already freaking out about going out on stage and when he finally got out there, the music wasn't coming through his monitor. He said he's not sure how those kids can perform out there because the monitor system they had that night was awful. He said he ended up getting screwed up by a beat or two and tried to catch up. He eventually got the music on and things were fine after that.

Meatloaf said that Katherine didn't seem to get the song when they were performing it and she broke the moment* when she sang to the camera instead of with him. He said if they were on Leno and she did something like that, he would have spun her around to make her look at him while she sang.

*I read elsewhere that Meatloaf has said that it was "Katharine's moment"  and he was willing to do it her way on American Idol.


I'm still looking for actual online trascripts from Howard Stern and a South Carolina radio interview where  the  duet was discussed.

The Performance.

On GoFish:

www.gofish.com/userVideoPlayer.gfp


Vinman's HQ DivX  version to download at SendSpace(70MB):

www.sendspace.com/file/yh6xma

And the piece de resistance, trist's HDTV version at  quicksharing.com (276MB);

s15.quicksharing.com/v/845744/Katharine_McPhee_Meatloaf_It_s_All_Coming_Back_To_Me.mpg.html


Enjoy a second serving of Meatloaf served with Kat (sup) !
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09/15/2006 2:50 PM Alert 
Thank for the Kat & MeatLoaf link.  Have not seen it before...it was so cute and funny.  Love Kat!  The frist time I saw the finale performance  said to myself, goodness, Kat looks as if she was afraid to sing with Meat Loaf not realizing the theatrical aspect of the song.  Now it  it is one of my favorite duet.
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09/15/2006 8:44 PM Alert 
Groucho,

It is quite obvious to me that you are a wordsmith. Now that I know you were an English Professor I know I was "definitely" correct.

With the highest regard,

Gloria
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09/15/2006 9:32 PM Alert 
I wasn't actually a professor. I did teach for awhile though. Language fascinates me and I love to write.

On that subject--I'm working on a couple more pieces for the Fan Fiction Forum. Our very own KatKrazy guy is helping me edit and polish The Tour Zone, after which he's getting one called The Kat Who Came Home. One is about a strange happening that may not have even happened on the Idol Tour (with Rod Serling smiling benignly over my shoulder as I wrote), and the other is about what might have happened at Staples Center if it had all played out in an alternate universe.
katpedia.com - watch and listen to Idol, pre-Idol, and post-Idol McPhee performances all in one convenient location

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10/11/2006 8:41 PM Alert 
zembla over at IDF found the Meatloaf interview from the Howard Stern show on YouTube, so you all who have wanted to hear his take on the duet now have your chance. I  found it facinating:

Part2 of 3 Meatloaf on Stern

Part3 of 3 Meatloaf on Stern
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10/11/2006 9:14 PM Alert 
Not meaning to rag on MeatLoaf, "Two out of Three Ain't Bad" is one of all time favorites, but watching that video again, I don't agree that Kat didn't get the meaning of the song, and broke off at the end to sing into the camera. I think she interpreted the song her own way, and in fact did come back to him for the final notes.

But who cares. Burst blood vessel in her vocal chords or not, Kat was outstanding in this performance. Musical theatre at its best. She sang brilliantly. It was the perfect song for her and shows what she can do when she isn't being judged and isn't straining for that AI glory note.

Like 'Think' from the final three, this was a real Kat highlight.
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10/11/2006 9:25 PM Alert 
There seems to be a mammoth disconnect between the way katfans see this duet and the way
Meatloaf saw it. I'm not sure about Katharine. I'm still not sure if they were just having "artistic
differences" and interpreting the song differently (in which case I guess he would have to "win" since
it was his song) or if he was trying to make excuses for why he gave such an odd performance. If they
had a rehearsal and he was really dissatisfied, maybe he should have said something. If he didn't speak
up and just let her do it her way, maybe he should keep his mouth shut, period. He says he just shut up
because it was "her" stage, but if they'd been on Leno he would have manhandled her into doing it his
way if necessary. Lovely. I'm sure that was just a lot of after-the-fact bravado for Howard Stern's benefit ,
but still... I gotta say, I liked him a lot less after this interview than I did before.
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10/11/2006 10:11 PM Alert 
I wish I hadnt watched that Meat Loaf interview with Howard Stern. Meat Loaf said in other interviews he didn't remember the performance at all. What BS! Then Robin (I think that is her name) says Katharine didn't get the meaning of the words the whole season. What does she know!!!!! I am fuming mad....
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10/11/2006 10:14 PM Alert 
Posted By groucho on 10/11/2006 9:25 PM
There seems to be a mammoth disconnect between the way katfans see this duet and the way
Meatloaf saw it. I'm not sure about Katharine. I'm still not sure if they were just having "artistic
differences" and interpreting the song differently (in which case I guess he would have to "win" since
it was his song) or if he was trying to make excuses for why he gave such an odd performance. If they
had a rehearsal and he was really dissatisfied, maybe he should have said something. If he didn't speak
up and just let her do it her way, maybe he should keep his mouth shut, period. He says he just shut up
because it was "her" stage, but if they'd been on Leno he would have manhandled her into doing it his
way if necessary. Lovely. I'm sure that was just a lot of after-the-fact bravado for Howard Stern's benefit ,
but still... I gotta say, I liked him a lot less after this interview than I did before.

I'd say that maybe Mr Loaf is not used to getting upstaged by a georgous, crazy talented woman like Kat. But then who would be?
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10/11/2006 10:48 PM Alert 
Don't let it get to you, honestly. I laughed my entire way through the video: a professional should know better than to make such excuses. My vocal coach flew to Los Angeles a few months ago to record background vocals for his upcoming album, and didn't have very good things to say about him. I love how he blames the acoustics of the Kodak theatre and his earpiece for his messy vibrato and off-key performance. Katharine too had a malfunctioning earpiece for her encore performance of SOTR on finale night, yet look at how well she did and how gracefully she handled herself.

What Robin had to say (about how she never connected with the lyrics of her songs), also made me roll my eyes. Isn't it "Someone to Watch Over Me" and "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" that made all of America fall in love with her based on her projected innocence and vulnerability? She was soulful in "Think", sassy in "Come Rain or Come Shine"...the list can go on and on.

Every review of the "American Idol" finale noted Meatloaf's performance as creepy, he is just trying to dig his way out of a hole. Katharine's vocal and performance was the saving grace, and I can say that without bias. He didn't give her a lot to work with: he looked at the floor almost the entire time, I don't know what "connection" he was trying to make with her.
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10/11/2006 10:54 PM Alert 
I thought this interview was very interesting, because I felt at the time and still feel that Meatloaf and Katharine were a perfect match.  The American Idol producers obviously felt that way too because Meatloaf has said that they approached him multiple times before he agreed to do it.

I suspect  Katharine likely practiced it Meatloaf's way  during rehearsals and didn't think  it was working and changed it up on him in the actual performance on  the Finale show.  They are both total hams, an actor trapped in a singers body, and both were keenly  aware that the performance was something special, a unique opportunity really.  Watch Kat on the video  at the end before  the bows,  she gives Meatloaf a sly little wink,  I sort of  think of it as  a "Gotcha Moment".  She knew what Meatloaf wanted and she didn't choose give it to him, for whatever reason.

Kat's discomfort with Meatloaf as a performer, I am fairly certain, stems from the extreme nervousness and agitation that is palpable in him  every time he takes the stage.  She thought her jitters,  hysterics and whatnot before the Idol shows were something before she witnessed this guy, a stage performer of  over three  decades experience,  scared out of his mind during the SOUND CHECK.   I don't think that on a personal level Kat had any desire "to get" or succintly to understand Meatloaf.  He is scary enough without understanding him.

What you have to remember is Meatloaf has had this song, It's A Coming Back To Me Now, on his personal to-do list for nearly  two decades and had developed in his mind a  unique vision of what it meant and how it should play.  So there is a measure of bitternessin  him for  being denied the opportunity  to share that vision with the forty-plus-million people in the American Idol audience. He feels it was good, damn good  but it could have been better, if only "the young child", as he called Katharine,  would have played it his way.  Who knows if he is right, either way, I loved that performance.



Another  interesting point in this interview is when Meatloaf  talks about the "monitor system" in the Kodac theater being "horrendous" because that was exactly what happened to Katharine the night before on TOP2 night when her monitor didn't work to give her the "key" from the piano for Somewhere Over The Rainbow.  Kat was so excited that she got the key right.

Well, I liked the interview and understand Meatloaf's position a heck of a lot better than I did from those isolated and out of context  print quotes that we had from this Stern interview prior to this find by zembla.  I also think it quite admirable that he didn't try to upstage Katharine (think of what happened to poor Elliot with Blige) and recognized that  it was supposed  be Katharine's moment.  A  little after-the-fact  tough talk on the Stern show doesn't  make the act of  him taking the supporting role  any less gallant. The man  has sold well in excess of  50 million albums and really doesn't have to take the back seat.  Stern as usual comes across as a foul-mouthed jackass, his only saving graces are that  he likes Kat and loved this duet!

Oh, and Robin saying that Katharine "didn't connect" with the lyrics,  Tommy Matolla said the same thing about her on Elvis week,  " The vocals come so easy  for her, she forgets what she is singing about."   Robin  likely saw that show and ran with that line.  We Katharine fans know differently.

Does anyone have any doubts why Prince didn't want to perform with one of the Idols on Finale night?
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10/11/2006 11:52 PM Alert 

IACBTMN has always been 1 of my fav performances from Kat. I think it is one of the best performances of the season and the best performance during the finale. Yeah, I was a little surprised when I first heard Meatloaf sang off beat on the first few lines... and I think it's pathethic to then make up excuses to say that the monitor sucks. Worst yet, he said that Kat didn't have a connection ... what's he talking about?! Kat rocked that performance! Hahahahaha .... If it wasn't for Kat, I think that performance will tank ... Hahahaha ...

 

Mr. Meatloaf, you only messes up the first few lines of the song, no big deal ... you pulled it off in the end. I still think that is the best performance in AI history ....

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10/12/2006 12:39 AM Alert 
I have to give ML one thing--if you don't have perfect pitch, it's devilishly hard to find a starting note
out of the blue. Evidently Katharine does. It's one of those musical oddities that some people have,
some don't. My dad could do it, I can't. You could tap a fork against a glass and he could tell you what
note it was. Still, I just thought he was being kind of ungentlemanly. And he DID change his story from
time to time. And I did see her wink at him, whatever it meant. I thought after reading all that stuff about
his stage fright it meant something like "hey, we did it!" Maybe it really was more like "Stuff it, Loaf."
We'll never know if she doesn't tell us. I couldn'