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04/19/2006 10:38 PM Alert 

Don’t you dare…but someone has got to help me understand….How in the name of ‘snot rag’ is Kellie not in the bottom three this week?

 

Mandisa is immediately sent home on basically one - admittedly bad - performance…

 

Yet Kellie, by her own admission and in the opinion of the judges, completely ‘butchers’ her song and she doesn’t even get relegated to bottom three…

 

O.K., maybe she didn’t quite deserve to go home ahead of Ace, but not even bottom three??!! How does that happen, and what does it say about the AI show?

 

Taylor keeps reminding us it’s not a dance competition, fair enough (I like Taylor – but Kat – you’re still my favorite!).

 

Simon says…you can’t be ‘...Too perfect…’ or you ‘Won’t win...’ but there is such a thing as the other end of the spectrum...

 

I understand that the appeal of the American Idol entails a composite of factors including physical appeal; an inviting personality; compelling performances; good song choices; bla…bla...bla…but I hope vocal ability is at least more important than it appears to be in Kellie’s case.   

 

This is not a Kellie bash…I rather like her…she’s not without charm and I admire her for what she has accomplished on the show and how she has sustained herself through some of the challenges in her life… but I don’t understand why Kellie (and Taylor for that matter – ‘Country Roads…’) seem to be able to avoid ‘bottom three’ despite sub-par performances.

 

Is their fan base that large that their performances are almost meaningless? How do you beat that?

 

 

 

 

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04/19/2006 10:51 PM Alert 
I think the Kellie fans came out in flocks to vote for her BECAUSE OF her off performance. They knew she needed it, or she'd be in risk of going home (or, like you said, at least being in the bottom 3.)

I must admit, I'd vote for Kat no matter what, but I also believe Kat will be great every week so we won't have to worry about that. =)
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04/19/2006 10:52 PM Alert 
Oh my gosh, I agree! Kellie has had 2 real bad performances and yet she's still there. I read on her website that they are doing DI dialing (DialIdol). That means for every vote you put it computes 2 votes. So, this one person actually voted 600 times for her. What the heck? I only got 98 votes in for her last night. Does anyone know how I can get MORE votes in her for Kat. She is AMAZING! She deserves to win this competition!
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04/19/2006 10:57 PM Alert 
Posted By Idoleyes on 04/19/2006 10:38 PM

… but I don’t understand why Kellie (and Taylor for that matter – ‘Country Roads…’) seem to be able to avoid ‘bottom three’ despite sub-par performances.

 

Is their fan base that large that their performances are almost meaningless? How do beat that?

Simple answers: #1 Yes, #2 With much difficulty.

The only way to beat them is to fight fire with fire. Kat needs to increase the size of her fan base. And it *IS HAPPENING* all the time! With each great performance (and with the help of her loyal fans-US!), her fan base is exploding.  Plus each elimination gives us the chance to pick up more votes. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we put her at the head of the pack in the next few weeks!

 

 

 

 




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04/19/2006 11:02 PM Alert 
Posted By soniandave on 04/19/2006 10:52 PM
Oh my gosh, I agree! Kellie has had 2 real bad performances and yet she's still there. I read on her website that they are doing DI dialing (DialIdol). That means for every vote you put it computes 2 votes. So, this one person actually voted 600 times for her. What the heck? I only got 98 votes in for her last night. Does anyone know how I can get MORE votes in her for Kat. She is AMAZING! She deserves to win this competition!

There is no magic way of getting more votes in- alot of it has to do with where you live and your local telephone company capacity. All you can do is redial the entire 2 hours, and on 2 lines if you have them. Other than that there is text message voting, but only if you have Cingular. Check out the voting techniques thread for more details.



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04/19/2006 11:12 PM Alert 
Posted By JxAxDxExD on 04/19/2006 10:51 PM
I think the Kellie fans came out in flocks to vote for her BECAUSE OF her off performance. They knew she needed it, or she'd be in risk of going home (or, like you said, at least being in the bottom 3.)

I must admit, I'd vote for Kat no matter what, but I also believe Kat will be great every week so we won't have to worry about that. =)


O.K. I understand the 'sympathy surge'  and I guess we have to expect that to a certain extent....but where does it end...hopefully the Vegas odds makers are correct...placing Kat just marginally behind Chris for the lead...although I don't know what Vegas bases their odds on...

 

Speaking of 'I 'd vote for them no matter how they sang...' I must say that the guest singers Stevie, Barry, Kenny and Rod have been pretty bad...I wonder how they would react if the judges were allowed to render their opinion of their performances..??!! I like them all..but they haven't done a very good job at performing...

 

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04/19/2006 11:29 PM Alert 

Idoleyes, you've described the "Kellie mystery" very well above, then posed two important questions: 1) "Is their fan base that large that their performances are almost meaningless? 2) How do you beat that?"

 

1) Yes, I think the Kellie fan base is very large (and highly mobilized by her stumble this week). Also, as others have said on this forum, people in the South seem to represent a large fraction of AI voters -- an advantage for Kellie. In addition, Americans in general (and Southerners in particular) tend to support an underdog almost irrespective of objective reasons like talent -- another advantage for Kellie, who is widely perceived as an underdog.

 

2) How do we beat that?  Let's remember that Kat & Kellie are roomates ....because roomates typically share stories, feelings, etc lots more than if they were not sharing a room (remember summer camp?), it's very likely they've become real buddies! My guess is that even their fans sense this & are affected by it (I sure am), and might be inclined to transfer their support to Kat when Kellie is voted off. Our task, therefore, is to try to think of ways we can reach Kellie's large, loyal fan base after she leaves AI so as to transform any former Kellie fan inclinations to vote for Katharine into a landside of votes for Kat!

 

        This is a subject of strategic importance! Anybody got any ideas?

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04/20/2006 1:06 AM Alert 
Posted By nasaman on 04/19/2006 11:29 PM

Idoleyes, you've described the "Kellie mystery" very well above, then posed two important questions: 1) "Is their fan base that large that their performances are almost meaningless? 2) How do you beat that?"

 

1) Yes, I think the Kellie fan base is very large (and highly mobilized by her stumble this week). Also, as others have said on this forum, people in the South seem to represent a large fraction of AI voters -- an advantage for Kellie. In addition, Americans in general (and Southerners in particular) tend to support an underdog almost irrespective of objective reasons like talent -- another advantage for Kellie, who is widely perceived as an underdog.

 

2) How do we beat that?  Let's remember that Kat & Kellie are roomates ....because roomates typically share stories, feelings, etc lots more than if they were not sharing a room (remember summer camp?), it's very likely they've become real buddies! My guess is that even their fans sense this & are affected by it (I sure am), and might be inclined to transfer their support to Kat when Kellie is voted off. Our task, therefore, is to try to think of ways we can reach Kellie's large, loyal fan base after she leaves AI so as to transform any former Kellie fan inclinations to vote for Katharine into a landside of votes for Kat!

 

        This is a subject of strategic importance! Anybody got any ideas?


 


 

I'm back...my bad...I was having trouble logging in and thought the Pick Pickler topic had crashed the server with disgruntled Kat fans!

 

Anyway...what you’re raising is sort of along the same vein that I was pursuing with my earlier ‘How does Kat improve her demographic appeal…’

 

It wasn’t hard to see it coming…that Kat was easily headed to a top 4 position…and that’s why I’ve been trying to figure out what - on a number of different levels – Kat might try to do to maximize her appeal across a broader base….I've been focused on her trying an upbeat performance or sharing more of what she's all about with fans..(..as if she listens to me?!!)...but what you pointed out is very interesting…I didn’t know Kellie and Kat were roommates (…’Some Kellie’s Have All The Luck’ – a Rod Stewart classic)…

 

 

But you’re right, there may be a way to facilitate the transition of Kellie’s fans over to Kat’s Kamp…maybe a blitz by Kat fans onto Kellie sites starting right after Kellie’s gone… offer our condolences and try to sympathize and start the momentum of encouraging Kellie supporters to throw their allegiance behind Kellie’s girlfriend Kat…is ‘all fair in love and Idol’?...Open Letter from this site to all Kellie sites – congratulating her on a great effort…mention their friendship… nudge…nudge...wink…wink...how ‘bout it …vote for Kat...??  I don’t know..

 

 

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04/20/2006 1:25 AM Alert 
Hmm.... Did I say it here before, or at the other board? Ok, I'll say it again. First, a caveat, I do not like any contestants other than Kat, period. That being said, I would say Taylor and Kellie are the ONLY two that can come up to the stage, take a bow, then go back, and can still survive. They can do whatever they want on the stage and still be safe. I wouldn't doubt that they would never be in the bottom 3, let alone going home. Their fan base are ridiculously strong. If you believe dialidol.com, you'll find out that Taylor has never been in a position other than #1 throughout the competition. Kellie was always #2 except last night. Other people will be shuffled around but both their positions were very consistent.

If my assumption is correct, starting next week, Katharine will be very vulnerable because she only has 25% chance of not being in the bottom 3. There will be 4 people fighting for the #3 spot. As Kat fans, we need to fight for that 25% and push the other guys down to bottom 3. That's the only survival strategy as of now. I hope her fan base is really growing this week. Otherwise, it will be a very very tough battle for us and her.
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04/20/2006 1:43 AM Alert 
well i agree with bcollan
we have to fight fire with fire
i believe if katharine sing well another week, she'll get more vote
if kellie is eliminated, i guest all of her fans will give their votes to kat, because i know lots of kellie's fans love kat too
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04/20/2006 1:47 AM Alert 
Posted By katidol on 04/20/2006 1:25 AM
Hmm.... Did I say it here before, or at the other board? Ok, I'll say it again. First, a caveat, I do not like any contestants other than Kat, period. That being said, I would say Taylor and Kellie are the ONLY two that can come up to the stage, take a bow, then go back, and can still survive. They can do whatever they want on the stage and still be safe. I wouldn't doubt that they would never be in the bottom 3, let alone going home. Their fan base are ridiculously strong. If you believe dialidol.com, you'll find out that Taylor has never been in a position other than #1 throughout the competition. Kellie was always #2 except last night. Other people will be shuffled around but both their positions were very consistent.

If my assumption is correct, starting next week, Katharine will be very vulnerable because she only has 25% chance of not being in the bottom 3. There will be 4 people