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04/19/2006 10:38 PM	Alert
Don’t you dare…but someone has got to help me understand….How in the name of ‘snot rag’ is Kellie not in the bottom three this week? Mandisa is immediately sent home on basically one - admittedly bad - performance… Yet Kellie, by her own admission and in the opinion of the judges, completely ‘butchers’ her song and she doesn’t even get relegated to bottom three… O.K., maybe she didn’t quite deserve to go home ahead of Ace, but not even bottom three??!! How does that happen, and what does it say about the AI show? Taylor keeps reminding us it’s not a dance competition, fair enough (I like Taylor – but Kat – you’re still my favorite!). Simon says…you can’t be ‘...Too perfect…’ or you ‘Won’t win...’ but there is such a thing as the other end of the spectrum... I understand that the appeal of the American Idol entails a composite of factors including physical appeal; an inviting personality; compelling performances; good song choices; bla…bla...bla…but I hope vocal ability is at least more important than it appears to be in Kellie’s case. This is not a Kellie bash…I rather like her…she’s not without charm and I admire her for what she has accomplished on the show and how she has sustained herself through some of the challenges in her life… but I don’t understand why Kellie (and Taylor for that matter – ‘Country Roads…’) seem to be able to avoid ‘bottom three’ despite sub-par performances. Is their fan base that large that their performances are almost meaningless? How do you beat that?

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04/19/2006 10:51 PM	Alert
I think the Kellie fans came out in flocks to vote for her BECAUSE OF her off performance. They knew she needed it, or she'd be in risk of going home (or, like you said, at least being in the bottom 3.) I must admit, I'd vote for Kat no matter what, but I also believe Kat will be great every week so we won't have to worry about that. =)

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04/19/2006 10:52 PM	Alert
Oh my gosh, I agree! Kellie has had 2 real bad performances and yet she's still there. I read on her website that they are doing DI dialing (DialIdol). That means for every vote you put it computes 2 votes. So, this one person actually voted 600 times for her. What the heck? I only got 98 votes in for her last night. Does anyone know how I can get MORE votes in her for Kat. She is AMAZING! She deserves to win this competition!

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04/19/2006 10:57 PM	Alert
Posted By Idoleyes on 04/19/2006 10:38 PM … but I don’t understand why Kellie (and Taylor for that matter – ‘Country Roads…’) seem to be able to avoid ‘bottom three’ despite sub-par performances. Is their fan base that large that their performances are almost meaningless? How do beat that? Simple answers: #1 Yes, #2 With much difficulty. The only way to beat them is to fight fire with fire. Kat needs to increase the size of her fan base. And it IS HAPPENING all the time! With each great performance (and with the help of her loyal fans-US!), her fan base is exploding. Plus each elimination gives us the chance to pick up more votes. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we put her at the head of the pack in the next few weeks!

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04/19/2006 11:02 PM	Alert
Posted By soniandave on 04/19/2006 10:52 PM Oh my gosh, I agree! Kellie has had 2 real bad performances and yet she's still there. I read on her website that they are doing DI dialing (DialIdol). That means for every vote you put it computes 2 votes. So, this one person actually voted 600 times for her. What the heck? I only got 98 votes in for her last night. Does anyone know how I can get MORE votes in her for Kat. She is AMAZING! She deserves to win this competition! There is no magic way of getting more votes in- alot of it has to do with where you live and your local telephone company capacity. All you can do is redial the entire 2 hours, and on 2 lines if you have them. Other than that there is text message voting, but only if you have Cingular. Check out the voting techniques thread for more details.

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04/19/2006 11:12 PM	Alert
Posted By JxAxDxExD on 04/19/2006 10:51 PM I think the Kellie fans came out in flocks to vote for her BECAUSE OF her off performance. They knew she needed it, or she'd be in risk of going home (or, like you said, at least being in the bottom 3.) I must admit, I'd vote for Kat no matter what, but I also believe Kat will be great every week so we won't have to worry about that. =) O.K. I understand the 'sympathy surge' and I guess we have to expect that to a certain extent....but where does it end...hopefully the Vegas odds makers are correct...placing Kat just marginally behind Chris for the lead...although I don't know what Vegas bases their odds on... Speaking of 'I 'd vote for them no matter how they sang...' I must say that the guest singers Stevie, Barry, Kenny and Rod have been pretty bad...I wonder how they would react if the judges were allowed to render their opinion of their performances..??!! I like them all..but they haven't done a very good job at performing...

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04/19/2006 11:29 PM	Alert
Idoleyes, you've described the "Kellie mystery" very well above, then posed two important questions: 1) "Is their fan base that large that their performances are almost meaningless? 2) How do you beat that?" 1) Yes, I think the Kellie fan base is very large (and highly mobilized by her stumble this week). Also, as others have said on this forum, people in the South seem to represent a large fraction of AI voters -- an advantage for Kellie. In addition, Americans in general (and Southerners in particular) tend to support an underdog almost irrespective of objective reasons like talent -- another advantage for Kellie, who is widely perceived as an underdog. 2) How do we beat that? Let's remember that Kat & Kellie are roomates ....because roomates typically share stories, feelings, etc lots more than if they were not sharing a room (remember summer camp?), it's very likely they've become real buddies! My guess is that even their fans sense this & are affected by it (I sure am), and might be inclined to transfer their support to Kat when Kellie is voted off. Our task, therefore, is to try to think of ways we can reach Kellie's large, loyal fan base after she leaves AI so as to transform any former Kellie fan inclinations to vote for Katharine into a landside of votes for Kat! This is a subject of strategic importance! Anybody got any ideas?

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04/20/2006 1:06 AM	Alert
Posted By nasaman on 04/19/2006 11:29 PM Idoleyes, you've described the "Kellie mystery" very well above, then posed two important questions: 1) "Is their fan base that large that their performances are almost meaningless? 2) How do you beat that?" 1) Yes, I think the Kellie fan base is very large (and highly mobilized by her stumble this week). Also, as others have said on this forum, people in the South seem to represent a large fraction of AI voters -- an advantage for Kellie. In addition, Americans in general (and Southerners in particular) tend to support an underdog almost irrespective of objective reasons like talent -- another advantage for Kellie, who is widely perceived as an underdog. 2) How do we beat that? Let's remember that Kat & Kellie are roomates ....because roomates typically share stories, feelings, etc lots more than if they were not sharing a room (remember summer camp?), it's very likely they've become real buddies! My guess is that even their fans sense this & are affected by it (I sure am), and might be inclined to transfer their support to Kat when Kellie is voted off. Our task, therefore, is to try to think of ways we can reach Kellie's large, loyal fan base after she leaves AI so as to transform any former Kellie fan inclinations to vote for Katharine into a landside of votes for Kat! This is a subject of strategic importance! Anybody got any ideas? I'm back...my bad...I was having trouble logging in and thought the Pick Pickler topic had crashed the server with disgruntled Kat fans! Anyway...what you’re raising is sort of along the same vein that I was pursuing with my earlier ‘How does Kat improve her demographic appeal…’ It wasn’t hard to see it coming…that Kat was easily headed to a top 4 position…and that’s why I’ve been trying to figure out what - on a number of different levels – Kat might try to do to maximize her appeal across a broader base….I've been focused on her trying an upbeat performance or sharing more of what she's all about with fans..(..as if she listens to me?!!)...but what you pointed out is very interesting…I didn’t know Kellie and Kat were roommates (…’Some Kellie’s Have All The Luck’ – a Rod Stewart classic)… But you’re right, there may be a way to facilitate the transition of Kellie’s fans over to Kat’s Kamp…maybe a blitz by Kat fans onto Kellie sites starting right after Kellie’s gone… offer our condolences and try to sympathize and start the momentum of encouraging Kellie supporters to throw their allegiance behind Kellie’s girlfriend Kat…is ‘all fair in love and Idol’?...Open Letter from this site to all Kellie sites – congratulating her on a great effort…mention their friendship… nudge…nudge...wink…wink...how ‘bout it …vote for Kat...?? I don’t know..

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04/20/2006 1:25 AM	Alert
Hmm.... Did I say it here before, or at the other board? Ok, I'll say it again. First, a caveat, I do not like any contestants other than Kat, period. That being said, I would say Taylor and Kellie are the ONLY two that can come up to the stage, take a bow, then go back, and can still survive. They can do whatever they want on the stage and still be safe. I wouldn't doubt that they would never be in the bottom 3, let alone going home. Their fan base are ridiculously strong. If you believe dialidol.com, you'll find out that Taylor has never been in a position other than #1 throughout the competition. Kellie was always #2 except last night. Other people will be shuffled around but both their positions were very consistent. If my assumption is correct, starting next week, Katharine will be very vulnerable because she only has 25% chance of not being in the bottom 3. There will be 4 people fighting for the #3 spot. As Kat fans, we need to fight for that 25% and push the other guys down to bottom 3. That's the only survival strategy as of now. I hope her fan base is really growing this week. Otherwise, it will be a very very tough battle for us and her.

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04/20/2006 1:43 AM	Alert
well i agree with bcollan we have to fight fire with fire i believe if katharine sing well another week, she'll get more vote if kellie is eliminated, i guest all of her fans will give their votes to kat, because i know lots of kellie's fans love kat too

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04/20/2006 1:47 AM	Alert
Posted By katidol on 04/20/2006 1:25 AM Hmm.... Did I say it here before, or at the other board? Ok, I'll say it again. First, a caveat, I do not like any contestants other than Kat, period. That being said, I would say Taylor and Kellie are the ONLY two that can come up to the stage, take a bow, then go back, and can still survive. They can do whatever they want on the stage and still be safe. I wouldn't doubt that they would never be in the bottom 3, let alone going home. Their fan base are ridiculously strong. If you believe dialidol.com, you'll find out that Taylor has never been in a position other than #1 throughout the competition. Kellie was always #2 except last night. Other people will be shuffled around but both their positions were very consistent. If my assumption is correct, starting next week, Katharine will be very vulnerable because she only has 25% chance of not being in the bottom 3. There will be 4 people fighting for the #3 spot. As Kat fans, we need to fight for that 25% and push the other guys down to bottom 3. That's the only survival strategy as of now. I hope her fan base is really growing this week. Otherwise, it will be a very very tough battle for us and her. I think you're right...and it's not like you're being a harbinger of doom to acknowledge the dynamics of the voting patterns...it's just a strategic plot of what appears to be a fact..which is not to say that Kat won't survive or win...but what you're suggesting raises some tactical challenges...I'm hoping that Ace, Paris and Elliott fans certainly jump on the Kat bandwagon...but what nasaman suggests regarding the southern voters inclination to vote for the underdog is a concern...short of 'make me ugly' surgery or yanking out a few teeth...I don't know how Kat could possibly attain underdog status...having said that...if everything we're saying is true...and the inertia of voter support for Kellie and Taylor is a large as it appears to be...by defintion then Kat is the undisputed underdog right now??!! Does that mean she wins??!!

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04/20/2006 12:10 PM	Alert
Posted By bcollan on 04/19/2006 10:57 PM Posted By Idoleyes on 04/19/2006 10:38 PM … but I don’t understand why Kellie (and Taylor for that matter – ‘Country Roads…’) seem to be able to avoid ‘bottom three’ despite sub-par performances. Is their fan base that large that their performances are almost meaningless? How do beat that? Simple answers: #1 Yes, #2 With much difficulty. The only way to beat them is to fight fire with fire. Kat needs to increase the size of her fan base. And it IS HAPPENING all the time! With each great performance (and with the help of her loyal fans-US!), her fan base is exploding. Plus each elimination gives us the chance to pick up more votes. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we put her at the head of the pack in the next few weeks! b...it's obviously difficult to predict...but now that Ace is gone and, for arguments sake...assuming Paris and Elliott are next in line...whose eliminated fans do you see choosing Kat as their next favorite...will they be motivated to move to a similar personality....singing style...gender...geographic proximity....most people have at least two or maybe three contestants they like....but I wonder what the dominant decision making factors are....

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04/20/2006 12:44 PM	Alert
I think you are correct Idoleyes that Kat's fan base is coming on strong. Look at this forum for example, does everyone realize that we have added 131 new members just today and yesterday. That is a 15% increase in our total in JUST 2 DAYS! The McPheever is spreading like mad with no known cure!

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04/20/2006 12:51 PM	Alert
Let me tell you how Kat can beat Kellie (and she needs all the help including herself, us, and even Kellie): 1. Kat hits another home run next week like this week. If she does it again, I guarantee that her fan base will increase tremendously. This is the ONLY and the QUICKEST way to get her fan base multiplied. 2. Kellie screws up again like this week. Her support has already weakened due to her poor performance this week. If she messes up one more time, and Kat accomplishes the above, she's gone for good. 3. We vote like there is no tomorrow. Our votes have to be at least DOUBLED to overcome the votes of the other contestants. Don't forget Chris and Elliot will mostly pick up Ace's fans. So they are actually gaining fan base even though it's not obvious. With Chris being in the bottom 2 this week, it is actually adversely affecting us in terms of voting.

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04/20/2006 2:03 PM	Alert
Posted By katidol on 04/20/2006 12:51 PM Let me tell you how Kat can beat Kellie (and she needs all the help including herself, us, and even Kellie): 1. Kat hits another home run next week like this week. If she does it again, I guarantee that her fan base will increase tremendously. This is the ONLY and the QUICKEST way to get her fan base multiplied. 2. Kellie screws up again like this week. Her support has already weakened due to her poor performance this week. If she messes up one more time, and Kat accomplishes the above, she's gone for good. 3. We vote like there is no tomorrow. Our votes have to be at least DOUBLED to overcome the votes of the other contestants. Don't forget Chris and Elliot will mostly pick up Ace's fans. So they are actually gaining fan base even though it's not obvious. With Chris being in the bottom 2 this week, it is actually adversely affecting us in terms of voting. Good points…I agree…the battle must be fought on many fronts… ‘The home runs’ gotta keep happening for Kat….no problem for her with that. Kellie seems impervious to the negative effects of a poor performance…and I doubt that even Kellie can mess up as badly as she did last time….but I hope you’re right, and eventually it catches up with her…. Sustaining the manic voting efforts is important too… Interesting that you think Chris and Elliott will be the major benefactors of Ace’s departure…what makes you think that?

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04/20/2006 2:29 PM	Alert
Kellie should have been in the bottom 3 this week. . . Maybe her fans somehow felt pity for her? Especially when she goes like "I'm sorry". . . then she shows her sad face. . . her fans would probably go like "awwww. . ." hehehe. . . that's what I think. . .^ ^

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04/20/2006 2:37 PM	Alert
I actually think that Kat has even gained much more support than usual because of her amazing performances the past two weeks. She keeps on performing like that, and who knows what could happen. I'm just PRAYING.. and i mean PRAYING that Kellie is gone before her, because like everyone said above, we are likely to get her fanbases support.. if all goes right!

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04/20/2006 2:51 PM	Alert
Kellie fanbase is frightening. I still think she's in the lead though because of text voting. Sadly she won't go anywhere until top 3. I hope I'm wrong. I think we just need to focus pushing Kat to the top3. She needs to beat Paris, Chris & Elliott before Kellie and Taylor. I really hope she gets support from Ace fans, but I'm not really sure right now. Since Chris was in the B3 last night.

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04/20/2006 2:53 PM	Alert
Yeah .. frightening is exactly the word id use... I really really want Kat to beat her though, shes so much better!! I really want her to make it all the way!

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04/20/2006 2:55 PM	Alert
Posted By katidol on 04/20/2006 12:51 PM Let me tell you how Kat can beat Kellie (and she needs all the help including herself, us, and even Kellie): 1. Kat hits another home run next week like this week. If she does it again, I guarantee that her fan base will increase tremendously. This is the ONLY and the QUICKEST way to get her fan base multiplied. 2. Kellie screws up again like this week. Her support has already weakened due to her poor performance this week. If she messes up one more time, and Kat accomplishes the above, she's gone for good. 3. We vote like there is no tomorrow. Our votes have to be at least DOUBLED to overcome the votes of the other contestants. Don't forget Chris and Elliot will mostly pick up Ace's fans. So they are actually gaining fan base even though it's not obvious. With Chris being in the bottom 2 this week, it is actually adversely affecting us in terms of voting. Here is the theory, folks. Katharine McPhee has to give another great performance next week, with the theme of "Greatest Love Songs", with help from Andrea Bochelli. If Katharine McPhee gives another great peformance, and Kellie "butchers" the song, we will be in good shape down the stretch. I am hopeful that Katharine McPhee will be safe again.

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04/20/2006 2:58 PM	Alert
Here is the theory, folks. Katharine McPhee has to give another great performance next week, with the theme of "Greatest Love Songs", with help from Andrea Bochelli. If Katharine McPhee gives another great peformance, and Kellie "butchers" the song, we will be in good shape down the stretch. I am hopeful that Katharine McPhee will be safe again. Yeah.. who knows if the producers will keep kellie around if she keeps "butchering" songs.. all we can do is hope.. and vote our fingers off of course.

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04/20/2006 3:56 PM	Alert
Do not hope Kellie will fail or will butcher her song. She will pick an easy & uptempo song again. With some dance moves, she'll easily sail through the next round. haha.. Let's hope Katharine will do extremely well next week. I'm still worried about her song choice. I hope she won't choose a difficult song again. Go Kat!

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