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04/25/2007 12:48 AM Alert 

I think Each Other is just a so-so song, I like it - but it's not a song that leaves an impact.....I would prefer a song that does have more of an impact like Open Toes or Not Ur Girl (for FUN/dance/summer) or HOME (Neglected or Ordinary World) for ballad.....I did notice that Better Off Alone has done well (in terms of downloads) on itunes....maybe that's a signal for that song to be a release......
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Hmmmm... are we feeling a little "irritable", CRB?  A little "cranky" maybe?     

You know, CRB, you might not agree with someone's opinion on one of Kat's songs, or with their tastes in music in general, etc,... but I hardly think that's reason enough to go Diss'ing her song like that,... or the other person.  I thought we were supposed to be more "open & friendly" here than other boards are.  

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04/25/2007 10:54 AM Alert 
Look, we're all fans and we all want Katharine to do well, and we all have different tastes. Nobody's an idiot because they like something different. I'm a throwback because I actually like Diane Warren's stuff. I have to listen to people ripping on "sappy, overheated ballads," so sometimes I get a little nasty stating my opinions of the current pop scene.

I love Katharine (what I know of her) and try to support her and her career, but I'm a lot older than she is and I don't share some of her musical tastes AT ALL. But she wants what she wants, and she's going to do it her way, and I'll help all I can. That means sometimes I wind up defending her on chat boards that seem to be stacked with people who love to take her apart for everything you can imagine, and probably some things you can't. Spend an hour trying to read through Television Without Pity (I could name others) where the Katharine folder is largely populated by people who seem to live to disparage her, and then tell me anything you read here is disrespectful. I'll never understand why they waste so much of their time on someone they don't understand or support, but that's neither here nor there.

I think we all have moments where we get a little overheated because we're all rooting for Katharine and want her to do well, and this is the critical period in her career where she's laying the groundwork for a lifetime. Problem is, we all have slightly different ideas for how she should do this. And she's going to just go ahead and do it her way anyway. So we have to hang on and keep trying to help her dodge the missiles that might shoot her ship down, hit like a brick and make her shift. Ugh. I said it. Yuck.
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Posted By SoldOnKat on 04/25/2007 10:17 AM

Hmmmm... are we feeling a little "irritable", CRB?  A little "cranky" maybe?     

You know, CRB, you might not agree with someone's opinion on one of Kat's songs, or with their tastes in music in general, etc,... but I hardly think that's reason enough to go Diss'ing her song like that,... or the other person.  I thought we were supposed to be more "open & friendly" here than other boards are.  

ESPECIALLY between us Kat-Phans!


I'm not dissing anyone.

If  RCA wants to try and float Love Story in the current radio environment where Over It isn't urban enough to get on half of the top ten market stations  then good luck to them and Katharine.  Mind you  I'm still willing to back  it all the way and Over It never was one of my favorites either.

I think calling Love Story a "great love song"  could be considered a bit tongue in cheek ( or perhaps, pure hyperbole ) but I don't think a serious person can believe that it is headed into the historic annals of Love Song Greats.


I don't dislike Love Story, or anything else on Kat's album, but that song somehow reminds me of the hard, little puffed peppermint (and spearmint too!) balls  that I used to eat  as a kid.  These particular confections  would hit your tongue and in a moment all  that would remain was  a little wet pile of deflated flavored  sugar.

To me "open" mean calling it the way you see it and my demeanor is nothing but friendly here so I'll assume you were talking about somebody else with that final comment.

I do realize that a lot of people, perhaps a majority,  have an "emotional investment"( for lack of a better term) in Love Story being the next single and have convinced themselves that the merits and hooks of the song are so strong that it is a likely smash hit.  I offer my opinion as a counter weight to that position, not as  "a diss" but to encourage others who feel that way to make their opinions known as well.
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04/25/2007 12:12 PM Alert 
Love Story will not be a classic by any stretch of the imagination. I don't think we have to do our usual worrying about successive singles at all. Over It and Katharine are enjoying great success right now and that is how it works. People just ASSUME that there will be another GREAT song from a GREAT singer. That's how Nora Jones and others debut at #1 every time. Kat is almost at the "name recognition" stage. On to the Grammies, then there will be no doubt. At this point, all her songs are good and could be successful singles, so it's really time we stopped fretting about future singles.
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04/25/2007 12:27 PM Alert 
Not fretting, haven't a clue what RCA is going to do, and basically it really doesn't matter whether I like their choice or not. They have presumably done some research on this and will push whatever they think is the most marketable to their target audience. Which isn't me.

People will flock to buy succeeding albums of people they liked last time around, but I think Christina got a surprise that her new direction wasn't as successful as her old one. A lot of people have changed courses and changed back. I'll take the Detroit Free Press' word on this, but they were reviewing Avril Lavigne's newest album and opined that she had started out raw and wild, got tamer, sales dropped, so this time she's all wild and woolly again. Of course for some of these people, a sales drop might mean just being plain old platinum inside of six months rather than double, but they still pay attention. But I agree, more and more people are figuring out what McPheever means and will know that long after they've forgotten who won Idol5. No offense to TH, but I just think K. has more potential to branch out, become an international star, and stay around longer in general.
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04/25/2007 1:42 PM Alert 
My 17 year old daughter loves "Not Ur Girl". My feeling is that LS will be the next single and IMO thats a mistake. Neglected is the coolest song and sound on the whole album.
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04/25/2007 10:07 PM Alert 
Agree, I find LS eminently forgettable. NUG is a lot catchier, the only thing is that it's thematically kindof similar to OI so they'd really have to make a vastly different video for it. The first time I listened to the entire album at one sitting, Neglected made the hair stand up on the back of my neck and I was just crazy for it. But I don't know if they'll make a single of it. It doesn't seem to have been tested anywhere, mentioned very much, or pushed much in general. If they want her to sound "urban" and break into new markets, I don't know if that's the song to do it with. Maybe LS isn't either.
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I don't believe anyone called Love Story a "great love song".  The person was referring to "Each Other" when they said that, CRB.

I don't think Love Story would be a good choice AT ALL.  I like the song but it just doesn't have any oomph to it.  It's fine for the album and a nice kickstart when you put the CD in.  But as something to last on the radio for 3-4 months?  I don't think so.

I'd be all for Neglected but probably not heading into the summertime.  I think it has to be Not Ur Girl or Open Toes given the time of year.  I always thought OT would be single #3 but I didn't realize than Over It was going to last all the way through April.  I thought we'd get a schedule something like this:

Over It -- Jan/Feb/Mar

Single #2 -- Apr/May/Jun

Open Toes -- Jul/Aug/Sep

Single #4 -- Oct/Nov/Dec

But now that we are heading into May and whatever song they choose will need a few weeks to get rolling...we're talking at least until Memorial Day before it starts to make a serious impact on the radio.  So it'll be Kat's "Summer Song".  So it has to be uptempo.  Thus, OT or NUG.  And if you are going to go with Open Toes...this is the time to do it.  Personally I'd go with Not Ur Girl but I don't have a problem with Open Toes.
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04/26/2007 7:23 AM Alert 
They will not release another single now, especially when Over It has not finished it's ascent. I agree with your timetable, Joe, but really, not many expected Over It to do as well as it has. I think they should release Not Ur Girl before the summer ends, then that will leave another chance for another single before the grammy deadline. A song does not have to be a released single to be considered for a Grammy, but people have to be made aware of the Grammy-worthy stuff.
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Thanks "sjwolves"!  Yes, to clarify, I WAS actually thinking of EO when I was talking about a "great love song".  However, reading back through the posting I can see how it could've looked as though I was talking about LS. 

Now, to get back to the thread-topic, I think that there are many other artists who've released a new single before their current one has run it's course. (ie: Daughtry's "Home" is out, and while fading slightly, "It's Not Over" is still up there on the charts.  Similar situations for Justin, Christina, Avril, etc)  So, it's not out of the question for them to be considering releasing Kat's next single now, while OI is still getting some airtime, etc.  I just thought that LS might be a good "cross-over" single, plus apparently it's her 2nd most downloaded song on some sites, so that's why I tossed it out there. 

Frankly, for myself, I'd prefer either OT for a summer-song, because of it's strong up-tempo & urban hooks,... or else maybe EO or Home, as great Love Ballads that should have a lot of pull for folk's & connect with a wider range of a listening audience.  My thinking is that, OI is sort of a "My man done me wrong" song, so the next one should have a different theme to it than that.  While great songs, IMO both NUG and Neglected are more "My man done me wrong" songs again, and that might get Kat a rep as that type of a singer.  Probably not what she's looking for.

But, because I'm such a Phanatical Kat-Phan, I plan on fully supporting WHATEVER song they release!!
 

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Posted By sjwolves on 04/26/2007 4:15 AM

I don't believe anyone called Love Story a "great love song".  The person was referring to "Each Other" when they said that, CRB.


Posted By SoldOnKat on 04/26/2007 8:54 AM

Thanks "sjwolves"!  Yes, to clarify, I WAS actually thinking of EO when I was talking about a "great love song".  However, reading back through the posting I can see how it could've looked as though I was talking about LS. 


Well, that is my mistake then.  


I think Each Other and Open Toes are the next two singles and  the playing  of Not Ur Girl on American Idol was much like the singing of Better Off Alone in the Tournament of Roses Parade: A way to get some of the other songs out there and familiarize the public with Katharine's music. 
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Well, that certainly would fit with the Promosquad "leaks." But I'm still wondering why they initially chose to call people's attention to Love Story and Home by putting that little sticker right there on the front of the CD where you had to look at it. I guess strategies evolve as you go along, eh?
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Posted By zzyzx on 04/26/2007 7:23 AM
They will not release another single now, especially when Over It has not finished it's ascent. I agree with your timetable, Joe, but really, not many expected Over It to do as well as it has. I think they should release Not Ur Girl before the summer ends, then that will leave another chance for another single before the grammy deadline. A song does not have to be a released single to be considered for a Grammy, but people have to be made aware of the Grammy-worthy stuff.

Here's what I don't get: Over It has dropped 7 places and lost 50% of its spins on MediaBase. Doesn't that sould like it's already peaked and on the way down? And don't you want your next single to be climbing up the charts while your last one is still near the top? It seems to me that a new single should be released soon. Or am I missing something obvious?
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I agree 100%!!  OI still has a lot of remaining popularity, and a lot of airplay AI's to it - but unfortunately it's definitely slipping.  IMO, the time to release a new single, whatever it is,.... is NOW!!  Sooooo.... where is it???  

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With the current music trend out there in the top of the charts, Open Toes or Love story is my guess
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Over It is definitely sliding.  Although it's hanging pretty solid on the Pop 100 chart on Billboard (I suspect it'll start dropping next week).  I'm just taking a wild shot in the dark here and guessing they've got Kat's singles on four-month schedules.  I remember somebody saying something about 16-week cycles for singles (longer if they are really hot).  Sooo...Over It debuted on Tuesday, January 2 and impacted on Tues, January 16.  Perhaps the next one will start getting play this coming Tuesday with an impact date a few weeks later.

The fact that she sang Over It, Love Story, Open Toes & Dangerous in San Antonio might be a clue where we're going with this.  I can't imagine it being Dangerous so.  Open Toes or Love Story?  Wasn't that the original debate?

They've got a poll on Kat's website and OT & LS are running neck-and-neck with Neglected for everyone's favorite song on the CD.  Critics seem to really like Love Story which probably means they should go with Open Toes.  Who knows?  I just wish they'd tell us already.
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"Each Other", "Over It", and "Everywhere I Go" kind of run together for me - not that much to distinguish between them. I don't know whether that disqualifies "Each Other" as an appropriate next single, though.

For an uptempo piece, I guess my pick would be "Not Ur Girl", although to me that's more of a midtempo song. It is unique, however. I like Kat's giggle near the end of the song. But I really hope that "Ordinary World" is released at some point.

I'm not totally convinced that the ordering of the singles matters that much, either. It's like when baseball fans argue about which of their pitchers are 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 5th starters - you need five starters period, so I just tune it out the numbering.
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04/29/2007 7:00 AM Alert 
I also don't place much importance on which single is released in what particular order. Each one will perform on its own merit. If I, personally, was in charge of such things, I would release a track that is easier than Over It to perform live, and one that showcases Katharine's unique vocal timber without heavy backup voiceovers. Tempo matters only to satisfy what is most popular on today's charts. That is why I feel that Not Ur Girl is that song. It has the hook,is a relatively good earworm and I think it will attract new fans because of the unique beat resembling the hits of the master producer Phil Spector (his current problems notwithstanding). The best time to release it would be in the next couple of weeks when Over It has peaked and is waning
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