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posted by luv2tokidol ( a Soul Patroller)
honestly, I love everything Taylor Hicks, inside and out, I wish he was still doing the circuit actually nationally... The size of Jimmy Buffet or Beach Boys or whatever. I wish there never was an American Idol.. Hate the stuffings out of this show, but it was what brought me my Taylor so... I am not surprised Taylor is not as "popular" as Chris. Nothing I think worthwhile IS that popular. Moderation in food. Nature kept clean and revered. Kindness and lack of ego and greed, or me first... true love. Soul and blues music people being honest. people admitting their mistakes and asking for forgiveness. did I mention GREED? Am I being honest? Taylor looks happy enough, but somewhere deep inside me, IF I were him I would feel bad about the numbers. But this is one soul patroler that has gasped when she realized the right person one, will have everything at his fingertips if he wanted it, is beautiful as a sunset over the Pacific Ocean... And will be too big to touch... I wish he had everything he wanted without this show and can move along and not be competing with "popular" cause almost everything I ever loved, music, religion, things that rouched me, just was never popular... He just fit in fine... But not it seems to the world... I wish that was ok with him... Also Chris? I couldn't be happier for, I sure wish people wouldn't push down our throats that competetion thing... Its really hard to be happy for Chris and I am, but his fans make me choke and want to stay away from congratulating him when they never seem to want to be happy for Taylor the man and music that made me smile again... I am so freaking jealous of Kat I can't see straight, I didn't think she should have gotten far in that compete, but at this point? She got to touch Taylor a lot... She is freaking BEAUTIFUL, stunning, tall thin, only 22 and not to mention her song? "ME" is so awesome...BEYOND WONDERFUL... omg.... She Makes me not even want to try... Totally... Can't come close... I always had that I thought she got that far on looks alone after hearing and seeing ME.... makes me want to cry and give up the fight. This girl could have it all... Elliott? Voice gives me the chills... Voice talent his fans are like the sweetest kindest and like him total class all the way. FREAKING REAL... and deserving all the best.... Need I go on? Did someone ask for honest? The CD's/// Taylors entertaining sweet sounding voice, NEVER GET BORED, always gets me up when I am down, makes me feel NOT BORING... Like I imagine him.. Kats better than I thought.... surprising sleeper songs... JUST LIKE her. I am sorry although she has SOME good songs, there are only 2 I heard I really LOVED... I mean to me REALLY loved. Looks aren't enough, but when the songs hit and fall into place, no one can touch her. Elliotts OMG I knew it was going to be good... Holy Cow... it "takes my breath away" like Taylors is always better than I remember and I remember it was FREAKING great... Still think A Taylor for most entertaining, soulful and soul music is all over the board, up jazzy and down right bluesy. And Elliott for the R&B.... Chris, I am sorry I thought he could sing, but boring, and this album does that for me... Nice voice, some good writing, but flat and boring.. All the songs really do sound the same... to me... nice but puts me to sleep. To me all the cd's reflect the personality of the artists...An extension of what we knew and the outcome of the artists... I really hope you wanted honest..
posted by luv2tokidol
amen... I do want to see enough numbers to make T happy, ok I want the numbers to caress him, EMBARRASS HIM, make him feel he is safe to keep doing this... to keep making that music, NOT ALL BLUES although thats my favorite. I don't want him to feel them.. Cause he appears to feel and thats cool OMG what the hell do I know, maybe they are!!!! I just don't think of others incomes, I always was taught that was private and rude to think that way, tally ask, push.... I do want him to see enough to make the music and be good with it.. Without this compete thing and this site and these convos... Think about he is doing well.. I just want HIM to feel it... I imagine if he checks in here? Well yeah lets stick little ole me next to Katharine McPhee and compare shall we... She is twice as tall, half as big, twice as talented, a bazillion times richer in money, popular, supportive family and what people want to see.. How does it make me feel to be standing next to her? *looks at Kat *OMG..... I might have some good stuff too... Its all good.... it is the inside.. it IS all about the music.. holy cow epiphany on a message board yet again... sorry Taylor... sorry Chris. Kat? you deserve it... yall put it out there to be critiqued like this... Oh god what are we doing? Lets be honest about ourselves now... Give these talented sweet kids a break... Who wants to go first? I have a great sense of humor, lost 30lbs in the last year, and got some new found self respect, it will be a struggle but I think I can pull out of poverty, stop talking too much, being messy, and be ok.... got to go embarrassing myself again. whats new? yikes yep still fine in LizWorld.. signing off.
i know she really hates Kat to hell.. But I also can see that She adores Kat in her deepest heart or in other way.. Maybe She was a Kat hater, But i feel bad for her and other Soul Patrollers's Desperation honestly .. They deserve better..
LOL! Collette? Where did you get that?
That's Elizabeth.. some call her Elizabat. :p She likes Kat.. she just goes all moody sometimes.. very complex character.. such as myself. :p
Those are my thoughts too... I don't know either. I really, really, really love Katharine's voice and talent, but I don't know if putting out a pop album has help or hurt her. I know, she has said countless times that it was a type of album that she wanted to put out. But, even today after listening to it, I walk away from it thinking, it's good, but not that radically different than any new pop star would put out. And as we all know, Katharine is much better than that. It just drives me nuts that these people with limited vocal talents are having great successes, and our poor Kat is struggling with album sales.
I don't know if a "standards" type of release would have been the answer either. If I knew a sure fire solution, I would be sitting on an estate larger than Bill Gates. For me at least, Katharine really shows her unique talent best at those stripped down sessions that she has recently done for Yahoo and to some degree at the AOL sessions. I know it is our job to promote everything she does as much as possible, but on the other hand, I want the general american public to see her for what she is... an amazing talent that is leaps above what is currently out there.
I know...I said this somewhere else. But could they slip "Me" onto the album to replace "Dangerous" as Track #7? It's too late for that? Oh well.
As for the Soul Patroller here...what were they watching on Idol? I think I can watch the show more clearly now and I'm more aware of what I'm seeing this year because I'm a little more impartial. I do find myself wanting to dislike whatever Lakisha or Melinda sings even though I concede they are very talented singers. And I suppose many people did that with Katharine last year and were able to doubly dislike her because she's so friggin' beautiful and they could go with the "Ah, the only reason people are voting for her is because she's hot" reasoning. Um, no...that's not why. There have been other "hot" women on Idol that haven't made it to the finale. Kat's got more going than just her looks. If you didn't see that on Idol...you just weren't listening.
Then you go back and do the "Should Kat have done more stuff like "Me" on her album?" I don't think we can really answer that question. It's impossible to say. I would never have imagined that Chris would have already sold two million albums and I'm not entirely sure why Carrie has done five million. Are their albums better than Kat's? I don't think so. I think there are more good songs on Kat's album than Chris or Carrie's. But I think Katharine's problem is everyone knew what they were getting with Chris & Carrie and it was something different than anyone of Idol had done and something that the marketplace was looking for. Did Kat following along with the R&B/Pop crowd hurt her? I think it's too early to have a definitive verdict on it. Should she have done that Joss Stone/Norah Jones album she hinted at when she was asked during finale week? You got me.
All I know is that Over It is doing well on the radio...and it is selling pretty well in the digital market. What's going to get the album going? I can't tell you. I've decided that I'm not sure how anyone sells anything these days.
Well, I can address that part at least. I spent the worst 2 years of my life at a Country Radio station many years ago (I am not exactly what you say a fan of the genre) and if nothing else, Country Music fans are the most loyal of all the music fans...Period. That is why artists like Jeannie C. Riley and Lynn Anderson could survive an entire career with only having 1 hit song. So, it is no surprise to me that Carrie's album has sold a gazillion copies. And her next album, even if it is total garbage (which I doubt) will do well too. If the Country Music fans love you, they adore you and basically you can do no wrong.
With that said, the Pop market is about the most fickle segment of the music industry, and that is why I worry about Kat's choice in going into that part of the industry.
This is just me talking, an opinioned guy that plays music and used to spin records, that Kat would have fared better if she would have done something in the scope of a Norah/Joss style CD. I think we are pretty much in agreement here that what sets Kat apart is her near flawless voice and any genre of music that showcases that talent to it's fullest is what we are after. Like I said earlier, and please don't get me wrong, I really do like her CD, but for me personally, the production of the album is more on display than Kat's voice. Highly produced albums that are commonplace in pop music are usually done for one specific reason; to hide the vocal limitations of the artist. That certainly didn't need to be done with Kat. Just the opposite in fact... anything to highlight that wonderful voice of hers is the ticket in my book. All pop records don't have to be overblown and overproduced. Kat could still stay in this field but lessen the production a bit to highlight her talent.
Like everyone has said in this thread so far, who knows for sure? I will support Kat's musical journey no matter where it may lead, I am just trying to find a way to make her true diamond shine.
I hope you are right. Each album HAS to be successful to be assured of a next one however. No matter how big the talent, it's all about numbers in the pop field, and much less so in other genres. The Madonna's and the Celine's are a rarity. For every Madonna, there are thousands that don't get a second chance after one musical mis-step.
This is from an old, jaded musician; while her present CD is good, it is not fantastic as it should have been with Katharine's huge talents. Sometimes in the pop field, good is not enough.