trsf
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| 14 Feb 2012 07:31 PM |
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On a slightly different topic, is the music from the show making any waves on the singles charts? |
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dalki
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| 14 Feb 2012 10:09 PM |
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The songs have shown up some, but nothing like Glee.
From KMC's iTunes thread from this afternoon:
Pop: Top 200
154: 20th Century Fox Mambo
143: Call Me
142: Beautiful
99: Let Me Be Your Star
89: Crazy Dreams
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388: 20th Century Fox
349: Call Me
344: Beautiful
216: Let Me Be Your Star
193: Crazy Dreams
So hitting the Top 200 and Top 100 in some cases. |
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groucho
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| 15 Feb 2012 02:35 AM |
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I dont' know that I'd expect the original songs to be Top 40 material. Looks like the Carrie song did betterthan anything else. I thought Megan did a really good job on it. |
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| 21 Feb 2012 07:32 AM |
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Boston numbers for episode 1.03 are in and things went back up n the demo.
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#1 in its time slot 5.6 rating 10 share
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#1 in its timeslot 3.5 rating with a 10 share
So far these are solid consistant #s which is what NBC is hoping for. |
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| 21 Feb 2012 11:06 AM |
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Nationals are in and unfortunately they are not great news.
Smash dropped to a 2.3 rating with a 9 share and came in a distant second to Hawaii 5-0 in the 18-49 demo nationally. Hopefully it will get a bump back up in the finals later today.
If it can hold at the 2.3 it will be fine but it has had 2 significant drops in the three weeks it has been on. It needs to start to stabilize. I think the 2.3 # is where I thought it would wind up but if it drops much further that is a bit of a concern. I still say its likely to be renewed but the trend is worrisome a bit. |
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| 21 Feb 2012 11:44 AM |
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I hope Nick Jonas has some star power... The almost unanimous vote has been that ep 3 was a bit of a snoozer but 4 was enough to get people back up and dancing again. My question again is, does it look like Smash does well in bigger urban areas, does the East Coast like it, are there any discernible trends? I wonder what kind of ratings they get in NYC? |
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| 21 Feb 2012 12:09 PM |
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Unfortunately I only have access to one market. Not really sure of any others. Hopefully Jonas has enough to stabilize things. But having the second or highest rated show on TV as your lead in and dropping to a 2.3 is not a great sign. Who knows what it would do say on wednesday or thursday.
If it stays there it will get renewed but it might get moved and have to stand on its own. |
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| 21 Feb 2012 02:58 PM |
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Or it might gravitate back to cable again, but God knows what would happen to the plotlines then, considering some of the things that went on in the original pilot. |
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| 21 Feb 2012 05:02 PM |
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I don't know what the answer is or what can be done. Some critics say it's too inside Broadway and therefore just can't get a broad audience. Variety thinks Karen and Ivy aren't central enough and that too much attention has been paid to the producer, director, and composer/writer characters and not enough to the two ladies (making it too "inside Broadway" I guess). And being on NBC at 10pm doesn't help and The Voice isn't helping it enough either. |
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| 21 Feb 2012 08:03 PM |
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I dont' think it was ever envisioned as ONLY the story of Karen and Ivy, though, was it? Seems to me Rebeck's vision was much broader than that. How would you build the entire show around just that one thing? I hope it at least grabs and holds a niche audience of some stripe or another. From reading all the commentaries I have lately, it sounds like some people love it, some people give it credit for trying, and some have kinde of a love-hate relationship with it, like they think it has a lot of flaws but it's what they've got right now, so they'll keep dropping in to see if it's improved to their satisfaction. Everybody wants something different. Who knows, most of the people who saw the first 4 eps say #4 is great, so maybe that will put a better taste in the critics' mouths. |
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dbroom
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| 22 Feb 2012 06:31 PM |
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Here is a great article why Smash is struggling. Bottom line the article states is that it should have focused on Kat's trying to make it character much more. Interesting stuff, and I think some real merit to it: http://weblogs.variety.com/on_the_a...nking.html |
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| 22 Feb 2012 07:29 PM |
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Well first off everything we talk about in terms of Smash and ratings has to be wrapped in the blanket of NBC. Smash is currently the #1 drama on NBC. It is also the #3 highest rated show on all of NBC behind The Voice and Celebrity Apprentice. So based on that Smash will definitely get renewed IMO.
We simply can't measure the ratings on NBC against a backdrop of say CBS's ratings. NBC is still in such a pathetic mess that normal comparisons don't apply. The thing right now the show has to worry about is staying stable. I have always felt this show would sit around 2.3 and if it does it will be fine.
If I have to take issue with the show on one thing that is affecting the ratings IMO is that the great musical numbers and much of the show's drama is backloaded into the last part of the episodes. The front doesn't grab the audience enough. Now sometimes you want the drama at the end as in the announcement of who got the part but the one weakness I saw in the pilot was that the first 15 minutes were a bit slow. I think that carried over into the next 2 episodes as well. Plus some of the stories will need to be filtered out as time goes by once they see what the audience responds to.
Shows can evolve and if say the baby story or the affair story aren't working and TBH the affair storyline doesn't work for me they can be dropped, changed and the focus moved in another direction. One thing that bodes well for Kat is that nowhere have I read that they need to focus less on Karen. She is the "A" plot well Karen/Ivy is the "A" plot so far each week and the critics all seem to agree that is where it belongs.
Even though I am certainly Team Karen I think as we have gone along Ivy is becoming a much more sympathetic character and that is mainly because Megan has been fantastic in the role. The only problem I see for them in evolving the focus is that the season is pratically all done shooting or will be probably early next month. It's difficult to change direction based on fan reaction when you have already shot and edited 3/4 of the season.
All in all though somewhat concerning its still fine right now as long as it stablizes somewhere above 2.0. If it drops to say 1.5 - 1.7 in that timeslot then there is reason for concern but not yet.
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| 22 Feb 2012 09:12 PM |
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I've read so much lately my head is swiming. There seem to be people on both/every side of every question the show could possibly generate. Too much or too little Karen, Karen/Ivy, Ivy/Derek, Karen/Dev, adoption, Ellis, whatever. I know spending a lot of $$ on something doesn't mean you'll stay with it forever, because there is always the argument that you should cut and run ESPECIALLY if you've already invested a lot, but somehow I don't think that applies here. I have the feeling there is all kinds of network investment in this show and not just financial. It was kind of a pet project of a top network exec, and there's always Spielberg's involvement. I just don't see it fading gently into the good night. If it can stand alone without The Voice, why not a different time or night? Networks used to juggle shows around like crazy (before they started yanking them after two episodes).
The placement of original numbers at the end of an episode seems kind of organic to me. They spend an hour building up some kind of process which culminates in something happening with the show, like the diva sing-off, or the marilyn/joe duet or something. Of course they can also start with a song, like Call Me, but that works better for cover/fantasy sequences. Personally I liked that beginning a hell of a lot better than Derek and Ivy melting the screen...or whatever they were doing. I'm still not sure yet what's going on between those two. |
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| 23 Feb 2012 05:15 PM |
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There's gossip that the producers are trying to get Broadway vet Patti Lupone for a few episodes. There is also gossip that Britney Spears is a huge fan and wants to do a guest stint or several episodes. Of course, they already have 13 episodes in the can and are getting ready to shoot #14, so those two things will probably have to wait until next season.
I'm enjoying the show, though #3 was definitely weaker than the first two, but I can see the point that maybe the Karen vs. Ivy plot and Karen herself should be more front and center, given much of the promo centered on Kat and Karen vs Ivy. Since we don't know exactly what will happen in future episode including what's more central, we can't fully evaluate that issue yet, but many shows take some time to find their footing and many times episodes right after a great pilot can feel like a let-down. Rebeck said in at least a couple of interviews that the Karen vs Ivy dynamic would be the focus of the season. Perhaps the writers just needed a couple of episodes to get the initial stuff out of the way before they could focus on that. |
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| 23 Feb 2012 10:59 PM |
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They've got a lot of people bouncing around there and they can't just ignore them, they have to set them up a little. It looks like Karen is going to get some attention in ep 4, maybe not the kind she wants but it should set up some tension. Theyr'e already trying to give Ivy "facets," so maybe Karen needs to develop some of her inner witch.
Patti Lupone is another draw for the theater crowd, but I'd expect them to be there already. Maybe not, if they're still pissed because of discrepancies between Smash and "reality" and haven't figured out how to turn down their criticometers and just enjoy things. I was kind of hoping it would be like Batman was in its heyday, with everybody wanting to have a guest shot. I'd like to see Eileen nail Frank Langella with a Manhattan because she mistook him for Jerry, because there actually is a resemblance. Britney is so "big" I wonder if people would actually be able to see a character there and not just "hey, there's Britney!" |
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| 25 Feb 2012 11:20 AM |
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Two of my coworkers are watching Smash that they've recorded. They haven't gotten to Ep 3 yet, partly because they were both disappointed that Karen didn't get the part. Maybe that's the case for other viewers, too. If we could have Karen not just singing in a bar but in another "show" number in the promos and commercials, maybe we could get some viewers back. |
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| 25 Feb 2012 12:35 PM |
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Barlo, interesting point that some people were disappointed that Karen didn't get the part and suggesting that maybe some tuned out after that. Perhaps the writers should have had Karen offered the ensemble role at the end of Episode 2 so viewers would know Karen was still part of things (because so many viewers don't follow things as closely as fans do). Ep 2 was pretty full as it was, so I'm not sure that could have been shoe-horned in, but maybe they should have tried. Ep 3 did feel a bit like filler, though my belief is the writers probably considered it a transition from auditions to workshop, but it did feel like a lesser episode and that they were treading water a bit so they could get some exposition and some stuff done before they started the workshop stuff.
I guess it's hard to fit so much in in just a few episodes when you have so much stuff going on. Rebeck did say that when the show went from Showtime to NBC, they lost 20 minutes for the pilot script and so they took those 20 minutes of stuff and put them in episodes 2 and 3 (I'm not sure if she really meant all 20 minutes or as much as made sense). And maybe that's the problem for some viewers. The writers are trying to set up this world of people creating a new Broadway musical and show how they go about it and those viewers don't care about the setup and just want to get to the fun parts. |
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| 25 Feb 2012 01:21 PM |
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dalki- I know I have posted this before but ep3 for me was the first time I started to feel connected to the characters and thus more interested in the show. I am aware I am in the minority on this, however my wife after ep3 was over, felt the same way and she is a TV addict for watching all type of shows. I must add that the last 30 minutes of ep 1 were the best IMO with the Karen and Derek scene and of course the closing number of " let me be your star ". We all obviously see things differently and different generations will react differently to the same set of circumstances. With that being said I am much looking forward to ep4 and beyond. I have bascially stopped reading previews and spoilers and I believe this helped my enjoyment in ep 3 and will for future episodes. All this pre information is bringing a lot of dissatifaction to a lot of Katharine's fans on both sites. Knowing what is going to happen before you even watch a show cannot add to your pleasure or satisfacton of that show. |
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dalki
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| 25 Feb 2012 03:15 PM |
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rilster, normally I love spoilers, but after getting too spoiled for the first episode with all those months of waiting and huge promo, I've started to avoid at least the performance previews of future episodes because I just want to enjoy things without knowing too much. It's also possible to let critics get into your head too much and spoil your enjoyment of an episode (which I think is what happened for many with episode 3). As for the characters connecting for you, I think that's probably true in general. The writers are starting flesh them out more and we're starting to get to know them better, which is something you hope for in a series. Personally, I started to connect with the characters right from the pilot.
Besides the initial ratings being super inflated because of the hype, I'm starting to think part of the problem with those initial viewers not staying is that no matter what the producers and actors said, many people thought this show would be like Glee, with many performances during an episode. Even some members were surprised by the fact that there aren't that many musical numbers. I wouldn't expect casual viewers to seek out too many interviews or pay attention to behind the scenes stuff, but I am surprised that some KMC/KMF members are surprised about the low number of musical performances per episode.
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Barlo
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| 25 Feb 2012 03:27 PM |
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I have never judged a show episode by episode before. Back before fandom and the internet I either liked it and watched or didn't and didn't. I think it's the current ADD of American pop culture that is causing us to evaluate so closely individual episodes. I wish there was some way for NBC to announce that they will show all 15 episodes of Season 1, even if they can't promise Season 2 yet.
BTW, I watch Glee and like some episodes better than others, whether it's the story line or choice of songs. But I watch them all anyway. |
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| 25 Feb 2012 03:38 PM |
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Barlo, I could be wrong, but with mid-season shows, especially those that debut more towards Spring, I would think the audience would expect all episodes to be shown, though usually the episode order is under 10. I think shows that the networks want to burn off and maybe disappear quickly, like NBC did with The Paul Reiser Show, will be thrown to summer or close to it. Then again, NBC pretty much canceled The Firm after a few episodes and that started in January, though for now it looks like they'll show the rest of the episodes on Saturday.
As for evaluating individual episodes so closely, I think it's definitely a product of the Internet, where feedback is instantaneous from critics, and a more savvy fandom combined with the Internet that watches and criticizes these things much more closely than perhaps they could do in the past. |
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| 25 Feb 2012 04:44 PM |
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It's probably a combination of the general ADD of modern culture, Internet culture, and networks' tendency these days to yank shows after an episode or two, rather mercilessly. So we focus on each episode to see if we think it was "strong" enough to keep the show there another week, or if this will be the one that kills it. Kind of horrible, isn't it? Like walking through a minefield. |
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| 27 Feb 2012 05:21 PM |
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Due to rain delays, the Daytona 500 race will be shown in primetime tonight on Fox (unless there's another rain delay), so expect that event to get big numbers and the competition to get slagged. Best thing to do is to accept the unexpected event and not worry about the ratings hit the episode will take. Just hope that the ratings bounce back next week when Smash's competition will be in repeats.
Also, the Live + 7 Day numbers are in for the week of the pilot and Smash went from a 3.8 to a 5.0 rating in the 18-49 demo (a 32% increase) and for overall viewers, it went from 11.442 million to 14.524 million viewers. These numbers factor in Nielsen families watch a show up to 7 days after initial broadcast via a DVR. Of course, advertisers won't pay for Live + 7 Days because viewers aren't watching commercials, so it's mostly for network bragging rights right now. |
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| 28 Feb 2012 07:06 AM |
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Boston ratings for 1,04 which I thought was the best so far are in and the Daytona 500 did have some impact.
HH
5.6 rating and 11 share #2 behind Castle of all things. It does better here than 5-0 overall but Smash was ahead of Daytona
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3.1 rating with 10 share #2 behind Daytona |
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| 28 Feb 2012 11:00 AM |
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Well the national rationgs are now out and thankfully Smash went up this week!! Great news!!
It was still behind Hawaii 5-0 and Dayton needs to be factored in as well as it was still on at that time but this is good news. Hopefully it can stablize and maybe go back up. Last nights episode weas certainly much better than last weeks so I'm happy it didn't get affected by a rather weak episode last week. It seems like if it stablizes ehre it will be a big plus for NBC.
So the beginnings of the calls about the "Smash Crash" that some of the ratings bashing posters on the various websites may be a bit premature. |
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| 28 Feb 2012 04:58 PM |
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The final ratings are in and according to tvbythenumbers, Smash's demo was adjusted down .1 to 2.3 and the overall viewers were adjusted down to 6.64 million (Race had demo of 4.5, H50 2.5, Smash 2.3, Castle 2.1). Still, even with last week in the demo and a little up in overall viewers, so pretty good considering the unexpected scheduling of the race. The show may be steadying out but there are still choppy waters ahead. |
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| 28 Feb 2012 09:31 PM |
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An interesting perspective that no one is talking about - There was a big crash at around 10pm EST at the Daytona 500. The race was delayed for 2 hours. Certainly people watching the race left and tuned into other programming during the delay. Maybe all 10PM programs, including Smash, benefited form the crash. Certainly might account for why the second half hour did better (more people tuning in as they realize that the delay was going to take some time). Just a theory but something to ponder. |
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| 01 Mar 2012 10:41 PM |
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Not sure if this made me feel better or worse, but it was interesting. I think it remains to be seen if Smash is "crashing."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012...FE20120229
The Canadian version of the above article.
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| 06 Mar 2012 09:39 AM |
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Hi,
Any update on this?
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| 06 Mar 2012 11:51 AM |
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Sorry I'm late oreporting today. But great news on the ratings front but I will qualify it as saying Smash was up against repeats on both ABC and CBS so lets not completely dance in the streets.
Boston #s
HH
7.9 rating and 16 share
Demo
5.1 and a 17 share. This is the best rating yet for the show in my market.
National
Great numbers and easily #1
Plus TVBytheNumbers is now listing Smash as "Certain to be renewed"!!! |
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