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| 11 May 2012 07:59 PM |
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Well, right. Ivy can't decide, but she can take herself out of the running by hook or by crook.
BTW I like Karen being a good soul. I know there isn't as much drama in a life like that, but there's plenty of drama around her. Stay true to yourself, Karen!
I also think that the pyramid of characters that are on the album cover will all be back for the second season. And that includes Ellis, Dev, and Frank. But Leo is not in the photo. I also think it wouldn't be far-fetched for them to tweak the mix and ditch Ellis anyway.
Oh and I don't like the fact that Bernadette Peters is coming back but not the Bakers (nothing personal about the actors, just in terms of story line).
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| 12 May 2012 11:44 AM |
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yeah, I guess if the writers go for the obvious (is it?) with Ivy, that would definitely make the writers and producers decision for them, wouldn't it?
The whole business of Karen being too passive could be argued in a lot of ways. She can't turn into Ivy, they can't simply start having bitch-slapping matches, and anything Karen does has to come out of her basic character, and it looks like she takes a lot of being pushed around before she snaps, and then she's apt to blame herself for things. The closest I can remember her coming to actually getting nasty, not counting crying and crabbing at Jessica for not being supportive of the new girl, is when she made a snide remark at Ivy about being unstable, which was a little cruel but essentially true. Ivy is a bit of a loose cannon.
I'm wondering, though, if Karen might not finally make all the Karen/Derek shippers happy by revenging herself on Dev by going after Derek, who we know thinks he has a duty to keep his leading ladies happy however he has to. If Karen did that, it wouldn't look quite so bad because after all, she was wronged first. Does that count? I think people would tend to blame Derek more than her, if they needed to "blame" somebody at all. And even then, against a background of those Karen-as-Marilyn hallucinations of his, people might not see him as being quite so predatory, but maybe a little bit in love. At any rate, not quite like "we're professionals," with the implication that it's kind of a business arrangement. But even at that, could such a "showmance" survive Karen becoming more sure of herself and less of the innocent that Derek seems to find so attractive?
right now I have trouble imagining the show without ellis. Love him or late him or tolerate him or whatever, he just seems like part of the universe. |
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| 12 May 2012 12:40 PM |
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Smash producers weigh in on Season One backlash.
This article is a bit outdated in places, but if you've got an hour to spend reading comments... I always get a kick out of hearing what people think, and they are usually all over the place. The two things that never fail to get agreement are: 1) Emory Cohen is a bad actor and spoils any empathy anyone MIGHT have had for Leo, and 2) Jaime Cepero may be a good actor but Ellis should go die in a fire. The rest is all over the map. I'm not sure how they would interpret "public opinion" becuase the public seems to want a lot of different, mutually exclusive things.
http://tvline.com/2012/03/27/smash-...howrunner/
I really don't think Ivy slept her way into the part nor were we meant to think so for exactly the reasons someone pointed out. Derek would never jeopardize his rep to get laid. |
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| 12 May 2012 01:24 PM |
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Interview w/Neil Meron (producer). He doesn't actually reveal anything, but one thing he says kind of had my jaw dropping, relative to Season Two, Smash on Broadway. You too? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMf-LtEYUCI |
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Barlo
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| 12 May 2012 07:28 PM |
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Posted By groucho on 12 May 2012 01:24 PM
Interview w/Neil Meron (producer). He doesn't actually reveal anything, but one thing he says kind of had my jaw dropping, relative to Season Two, Smash on Broadway. You too?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMf-LtEYUCI
Sorry Groucho. I don't understand why your jaw was dropping?
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| 12 May 2012 07:48 PM |
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Oh and in the Carson Daly interview Kat says that we WILL know who plays Marilyn but not until the 11th hour.
Well, we'll know who plays it in Boston. Of course it could change before it gets to Broadway. I think we are all hoping Dimaggio will change ASAP. |
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| 12 May 2012 11:01 PM |
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I just re-listened and he definitely said there would be suspense about the show itself (as well as the characters), as in: would it make it to Broadway, and who would play Marilyn. Does that mean that whoever gets the part in Boston won't necessarily keep it? Heaven knows, in long running shows, the same people don't always stay in the show forever. Will Season 2 focus mainly on its Broadway run? will we continue to get new original songs? Maybe Karen will make her big splash as Marilyn, then we could have a magical hiatus of several months and she could move on to something else. Maybe she and Jack will slide over into Jerry's production of My Fair Lady and Ivy will take over as Marilyn and finally make her name, like Megan replaced... whoever replaced Kristin Chenoweth in Wicked, I think. |
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| 13 May 2012 10:49 AM |
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We should be getting NBC's Fall schedule around 1:45 or 2pm ET today, so we'll see then where they plan to put Smash. |
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| 13 May 2012 01:23 PM |
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http://www.tvguide.com/News/NBC-Fal...47458.aspx
tks to dalki for digging this up
The upshot seems to be that Smash will have another winter debut but The Voice is going to have a fall debut so they can tack another new show behind it for the boost factor. I don't know how long The Voice's season is because I haven't followed it, but I assume that means Smash is now on its own. Toddle off, Junior, and good luck. |
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| 13 May 2012 01:50 PM |
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Greenblatt said in a media conference call that the show will have 15-18 episodes, to be determined I guess. They felt it was best to show the series without interruption. I don't think this means they don't care, I think they want what's best for the show.
ETA:
Groucho, The Voice was shown for 14 weeks this season, so it will finish up in the Fall, like The X Factor did.
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groucho
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| 13 May 2012 02:48 PM |
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I'm going to assume this means they think Smash can stand on its own so now they can give TVs boost factor to someone else, plus the possibility of even more episodes next year than this year also sounds positive. Wonder if it will stay in its day and time slot because that's what people are used to. What does it mean that they don't want the one or two-week interruptions you might get with a fall show but they're willing to give it a huge gap between the end of seasons one and two? Oh well, maybe they just want to take a lot of time in preparation, because they seemed to have been on a killing schedule this year getting all the musical numbers written, rehearsed, filmed, etc. |
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| 13 May 2012 03:13 PM |
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It sounds like there will be two cycles of the Voice, so it's possible the Spring cycle of Voice could be paired with Smash.
Groucho, I don't know if it's better to have long stretches between seasons than many repeats. But cable does this all the time and they seem to manage. The thing is, if Smash only gets at most 18 episodes each season, then they would either show a lot of repeats to make it last through the TV season or show no repeats and either end it in the Fall or start it mid-season and end in May. Either way on the latter, you have a long wait between seasons. |
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| 13 May 2012 05:17 PM |
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Heaven knows cable shows with loyal audiences do seem to manage this kind of schedule. I couldn't believe when the first season of TrueBlood was over, they have really short seasons. And they've lasted for what, four now? I can't remember, I just keep coming back, whatever and whenever, because I quickly got addicted to the Charlaine Harris novels and then the series. It's interesting how you seem to have "purists" and then people who just go along for the ride with different series. Some people got upset at how TB diverged from the books, but although I loved them too, I though alan Ball did a good job with the tv version, it was like getting two whole sets of things to enjoy. With Smash you have the theater purists and then the just-plain-audience, whatever you'd call them, who don't know a grip from a key light (and I'm one of them).
it looked like the audience fell off quite a bit from Voice to Smash, so who knows if that's even a good idea anymore? I suppose there are still people out there who don't know what Smash is yet...hard as that may be for us to comprehend. |
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| 13 May 2012 05:38 PM |
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| 13 May 2012 05:52 PM |
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I like the idea of it being continuous. I think for a drama with a storyline like this that makes sense. For ones like cop shows where they basically wrap up a story each week, a checkerboard is okay. But football just barely had the draft. I can't believe I am already wishing for it to be over again!
It also sounded like the production for Smash is longer and/or not as clear cut as other dramas so may need more time. The biggest downside is they won't have fan/critic reaction to the "fixing" that they do to it. |
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| 13 May 2012 08:36 PM |
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Groucho, that video check in is from when Kat talked about Unbroken's January release. El was just making a funny. |
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| 13 May 2012 11:26 PM |
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Is that why it sounded so familiar? And made so little sense. I kept trying to track it down and couldn't find it anywhere. That's why. |
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| 14 May 2012 01:29 PM |
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Bob Greenblatt talks about next year's lineup at NBC including Smash.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/enter...1604.story
More on the subject. (Can't get this one to post right for some reason.)
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| 14 May 2012 02:52 PM |
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Kat and Megan perform at the NBc Upfronts (introducing next year's tv lineup).
https://twitter.com/#!/Sandys_Beach/status/202057685267529728/photo/1
http://twitter.com/Sandys_Beach/sta...28/photo/1
Another shot, diff. costume (arrival vs. performance?)
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| 14 May 2012 03:14 PM |
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http://i49.tinypic.com/2yvuzhh.jpg
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Hope there's video/audio on this eventually. All I found was something that put me through a lot of Facebook hoops and I eventually gave up because I didn't know what I was doing. Maybe something else will surface. Evidently they sang LMBYS and Kat and Leslie Odom closed things out with Stand. |
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| 15 May 2012 05:40 AM |
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Fantastic finale. Kat did a really great job. That last song was wonderful and I keep replaying it on my iTunes. |
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groucho
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| 15 May 2012 09:32 AM |
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Amen to that. Something in me wants to keep comparing Smash to 42nd Street (dating myself much?), but I can't help it, there are vague similarities, and tonight we got the nasty, egomaniacal director encouraging the "kid" to go out and become a star. Very different in tone, though...
Derek got some great lines. I don't know why I persist in feeling sorry for all the show's "villains," but when he delivered that line to Ivy I nearly fell out of my chair. He couldn't have said anything worse. Yours is good but hers is better--and he didn't even bother to say the first part. He couldn't have set Ivy up for an attack of full-blown crazy any better if he'd hit her in the gut with his fist. And yet, he was just being Derek. Did the same to Dev. "She's mine now." And I think he means that more in the Henry Higgins sense than anything else, even if he's a bit confused about it ("and I do understand love"). Mmmm... not so sure. Karen-as-Marilyn certainly does fascinate him to death, but how about Karen as Karen. Makes me think about Rita Hayworth's famous line about why all her relationships failed: they went to bed with Gilda and woke up with me.
They certainly did improve the ending. That song is triumphant and uplifting at the same time it's a tearjerker, and totally true, as we can't seem to forget Marilyn decades after her passing. As I have said before, Julia seems to do her best work when she's agitated (Don't Forget Me, History Is Made AT Night, etc.) so maybe she'd better pray for an unsettled life. Maybe they should have Michael move in next door. |
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| 15 May 2012 11:23 AM |
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Best episode of the season IMO. As Katharine fans we could not have asked for more. Her dancing, her acting and of course her singing were GREAT. As Groucho has posted previously when they give Katharine " something to work with " in her acting she pulls it off. I thought her acting in the final scene ( Marilyn in the bed ) was really well done. Again Katharine is just a phenominal singer, I just do not see how anyone can deny that. As her father said in the first episode WHAT A VOICE !. Thankfully Spielberg recognized what a great talent she is. |
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| 15 May 2012 02:18 PM |
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"Marilyn," Larry and Nena (from Wes Taylor's twitter) http://twitter.com/#!/WesTayTay/sta...89/photo/1 |
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| 15 May 2012 08:06 PM |
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Lousy voice, clever song, and totally right, it would be hilarious if Katharine could sing this. a little OT but Smash related.
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| 15 May 2012 08:49 PM |
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Not a bad assessment. Not sure if I agree with everything, but... I'm still trying to figure out just what, exactly, it is they want katharine to do differently with her character. Give her more oomph? She's quite animated when she's allowed to be, i.e. written a scene where she can do things like dance around the bedroom because she's happy. but basically she has to stay within the confines of her character. When she's given an emotion to convey, she does it. The writers are not having her fly at Dev and rip his throat out. She did not hand Ivy a bottle of pills and say here, knock yourself out--literally. She did that by walking in, giving Ivy a withering stare, and reporting for duty, in the part Ivy wanted almost more than she wanted to live. Okay, we know she's not really going to off herself, but she'll have moments when she'll feel like it, and at that moment Karen is not going to care much. http://www.usatoday.com/life/televi...54963376/1 |
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| 15 May 2012 08:51 PM |
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This is a little bit "old news" but a few new insights included. http://www.celebuzz.com/2012-05-14/...exclusive/ |
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| 15 May 2012 09:16 PM |
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The comments on this one are totally worth reading. Lots of love for both Marilyns. But it seems like there are Hilty fans who just cannot come to terms with Ivy not getting the part, or their feeling that Smash is trying to manipulate people into thinking Karen is wonderful while Ivy is awful or something. Almost like Idol days with warring fanbases etc. I wish people would slow down and not refer to "Debra Winger" or "Karen McPhee" though. It's distracting. Although I admit, I had a long time of having to think twice not to say Karen Carpenter. Someone has the greatest comment, or rather phrased in a way I'd just never quite thought before--Derek loves Karen as Marilyn because he has always thought Norma Jeane was the "real" Marilyn and the person she played in the movies was just a character she created, which indeed Marilyn said many times, even referring to that persona as "her." So while Ivy had the movie Marilyn down, Karen did the real Marilyn better. Which is not to say Ivy couldn't do Norma Jeane--Karen just did her better. The two girls just "felt" different to Derek, their essences seemed different, which he had trouble articulating so he kind of hallucinated it. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/li...ers-320793 |
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| 15 May 2012 09:21 PM |
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Comments by "the girls" on the finale. I didn't quite get Ivys Dimaggio remark to Karen in the dressingroom. Now I do. Should have but I just didn't.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/li...lty-320781
Huffpost checks in. Some speculation on what next year might bring. Again, some passionate comments, which I enjoy reading. I hope NBC realizes that a lot of people are really getting into their show!
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| 15 May 2012 09:29 PM |
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Interesting on that last interview Groucho. I thought I had understood the Joe DiMaggio remark (that maybe Dev was trying to be a gentleman) but obviously reading their remarks, I didn't. |
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