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04/26/2006 10:21 AM Alert 
OK, we're all in shock over the judges comments to Kat last night, and some of us think that something's a bit rotten in AI land. Kat fans all over the world are up in arms, the media reviews generally agree with us, and even fans of other contestants are scratching their heads.So here's where we can consolidate our various theories. Here's mine:

Simply put, the AI producers want Kat to win (or at least be in the final 2), and have from the start. She is beautiful, extremely talented, and more importantly, infinately marketable. She is almost guarenteed to be a superstar of *at least* Kelly Clarkson stature. But they have a big problem: public perception. They need to make the competition appear close for ratings, and they need to get their choices to the top- all while appearing to be unbiased.  Over the years there has been more and more talk of AI being "fixed" and playing favorites. Then last year, Simon put his foot in AI's mouth by predicting Carrie to win early in the competition. So I believe AI started a campaign of "misdirection" early on to divert attention from their real goals. Some "fishy" items which could be misdirection:
-They made it well known that this year "a guy will win".
-Simon gives his early final 3 predictions excluding Kat.
-Celebrity guest interviews exclude positive comments about Kat.
-Simon "forgets" Kat's name while interviewed *during the final 12*.
-Simon says Kat "too perfect" to win.
 Then, maybe 2 weeks ago, the producers decided Kat needed a push towards the finals. So we saw:
-Extended clips featuring Kat with the celebrity guests.
-Glowing praises by the celebrity guests.
-Higher praise by the judges.
-Kat in the coveted closing spot last week.
But then the great, arrogant Simon screwed it up again last week by going way over the top. His careless comments had many people calling "foul" again, negating alot of the previous careful misdirection. So the producers hoped that by executing a carefully orchestrated slam of Kat this week (and I believe Ryan's "no volume vote" part of it), that they would accomplish the following:
-immediately take the "favoritism" heat off AI.
-maintain the appearance of a tight competition.
-only marginally hurt Kat this week BUT
-bolster Kat's support longterm though backlash.
There you have it.
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04/26/2006 10:32 AM Alert 
Well, something's going on. After two weeks of the most incredible support imaginable--lighting, costumes, everything perfection, judges crowing, Katharine glowing--all of a sudden we now have a week where everything goes wrong. Upon a third viewing, I wondered who picked the dress, who chose the camera angles that occasionally made it look a size too small, how on EARTH did that little mishap happen (the Detroit Free Press coyly referred to it as an 'I see London, I see France etc.' malfunction), and then Simon's attack, after which they do a big close-up of what looks like Katharine wiping tears or close to it-- I don't quite know what smells, but something does. And all Katharine did was deliver a ripping performance that was her own, she doesn't have to be Whitney Houston, we've already got one of them and she's amazing, but so is Katharine, in her own, different way. Too many coincidences. She wuz had. The judges were off in weirdsville and the audience was right.
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Posted By groucho on 04/26/2006 10:32 AM
And all Katharine did was deliver a ripping performance that was her own, she doesn't have to be Whitney Houston, we've already got one of them and she's amazing, but so is Katharine, in her own, different way.

Amen to that!
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04/26/2006 11:16 AM Alert 
Too many praises for Kat from the judges over tha past weeks have belittled the other contestants. FOX has no doubt dictated to the judges to level the playing field. Therefore the comments from the judges last night reflected not Kat's performance, but FOX's demand that the judges---somewhat of a sham!
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04/26/2006 11:21 AM Alert 
Not so crazy bill.....

I have always felt the reverse physcology from simon.... yes its different this year... and i dont know what they are getting at...
All that you mentioned are true and connected and does not make sense as a whole somehow...
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04/26/2006 11:24 AM Alert 
i just joined up...mainly because i do like kat....and i ve been thinking from the begining about all the signs of a fix....
i m not a kid...i enjoy the show and have been around the block alot...and this show smells funny too me..
i can give you a whole list of reasons but i wont go on and on.....i ll make 1 point.
last nite was classic love songs....how did chris get to pick a brian adams song??? and how was he privliaged enough to have guitars next to him on stage?? and great sound and lighting??
your gonna tell me if that was offered to all the others they wouldnt have taken it? and picked a more fermilar song for them??
ok one more,,,,i cant believe kat would have picked that song...ANYONE who watchs idol knows no one should attempt a whitney houston song....and whoever gave her ill advised to sex-it-up....
i hope she can overcome this.
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04/26/2006 11:40 AM Alert 
If it IS a conspiracy to get Kat to win the final, all I can say is that it's a very high risk strategy. I've just watched a DivX of the prog with the "judgements". Like most peeps, I thought it was an excellent performance. You could tell by the look on Kat's face at the end that she thought she'd nailed it. All very puzzling.
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04/26/2006 11:46 AM Alert 
Everyone I've talked to, and they are not Kat fans, said they trhought Kat did great! and are also wondering what the judges were trying to convey. She was fantastic, looked like a star, performed like a star, and they trashed her. Definitely something was wrong in AI land last night. During the reprise of the songs, I heard voices, I wonder if there was some bickering going on about the length of time spent on certain judges comments. Paula was wacked out last night. And Simon was being arrogant, as usual. Kat did not deserve the trashing she got. I voted, and found it hard to get through, so hopefully, America saw it the way I saw it, too.
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04/26/2006 11:50 AM Alert 
I thought it was an excellent performance. You could tell by the look on Kat's face at the end that she thought she'd nailed it. All very puzzling.
You could tell by the audience's reaction and applause during and after the performance that she NAILED it as well.

Has anyone else noticed that the judges have consistently told the contestants to "change it up, don't sing it like the artist, make it your own"....I believe Kat did that last night, and was not try to do Kareoke on Whitney's redition.

Bill - good topic....I agree conspiracy is all around the show.
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04/26/2006 11:51 AM Alert 
Here's what really gets me: When any of the other contestants choose well known songs and change them up they get praise "for making it their own". When Kat does it (and does it well), she's criticized. What is going on here?

Any other time a contestant has sung a Whitney song it's usually a karaoke attempt at sounding like Whitney. Kat didn't do that, she sounded pretty good, better than she has in a few other performances where the judges were positive. She also showed loads of personality and sex appeal, stuff that she's been criticized for lacking. She finally puts it all together, and the judges have earplugs in and blinders on.

Something has gotta be going on, otherwise this doesn't make any sense. I hope they went and watched the playback and come on tonight and all admit that they made a horrible mistake.
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04/26/2006 11:57 AM Alert 
One more thing....Since the voting tally is not verfied by an independent organization, I don't trust FOX's results. I believe that they can choose whomever they want to send home each week, while keeping us in the dark about the total voting. It smells rotten to the core. Don't get me wrong---I will continue to vote my fingers off for Kat until FOX decides (not the people) to send Kat home.
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04/26/2006 12:02 PM Alert 
b...
 

The only problem with successfully integrating any such plot would be that they’d have to have Paula in on it…and

 

A) She wouldn’t understand what to do

B) If she did understand, she would forget

C) She probably doesn’t even realize she’s on T.V in front of millions of viewers

 

I don’t know about her...I’ve said before; either she IS on drugs and should get off them…or she ISN’T on drugs and she should start taking some…I gotta talk to nasaman…we’ve got a space cadet on our hands….but I digress...

 

 

I don’t think there’s any question that we are being manipulated in some material respect. From subtle nuances to overt injustices…it’s all there…this is reality TV. after all….

 

 

I doubt they categorically ‘fix’ the voting (too much at stake if they find out…one dead ‘cash cow’)…but they may shape the perception of the results….I can’t remember if they actually say the contestants in the ‘bottom three’ actually have the lowest vote totals…they say it about the one contestant that is eliminated…but I don’t recall they say that about the other two in the ‘bottom three’…and there is a presumption that the last person assigned to a line has the most votes ..but last week Ryan said to Taylor (last one seated while everyone else was in a line)…’Taylor….you may or may not have the most votes…’ (just before the asked him  stand beside the non-top 3 contestants)….my point is (I’m coming to it…) maybe they let the public pick the contestant that will be eliminated based on lowest votes…but then they arbitrarily select the other two based on their desire to affect ratings/create drama/outrage…it wouldn’t surprise me…but if I’m wrong…then never mind…I’ll go on anyway…

 

 

The producers definitely ‘pimp’ different candidates at different times to suit their purposes (favorable production support; camera coverage; order of performance…and some of the things you mentioned)…and I think last nights criticism indicates that either the judges heads aren’t screwed on right (see Paula – above) or they are deliberately working the audience to infuriate us and/or affect the voting...sounds like Simon to me…it just seems preposterous that Simon can voice his opinions on who will (or won’t) win in, view of the fact that he’s a judge…last week Paula and Randy were trying to stop Simon from overdoing the praise when Kat did a great job…this week Kat did another good job and they all killed her…Kat didn’t even get an ‘.. a-yite..’ from Randy, or a ‘nice dress…you know I love you …’ from Paula….or the traditional ‘lifeline’ thrown by Ryan to offset the negative comments ….hmmmmmm…something stinks…. 

 
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04/26/2006 12:10 PM Alert 
I don’t know about her...I’ve said before; either she IS on drugs and should get off them…or she ISN’T on drugs and she should start taking some…I gotta talk to nasaman…we’ve got a space cadet on our hands….but I digress...
Idoleyes - Top notch LMAO.

Honestly we'll have to pay attention tonight, and if anyone has the past results shows on file to see if Ryan specifically says "here is the 3 that had the fewest number of votes.."
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04/26/2006 12:16 PM Alert 
Posted By Idoleyes on 04/26/2006 12:02 PM

Kat didn’t even get an ‘.. a-yite..’ from Randy, or a ‘nice dress…you know I love you …’ from Paula….or the traditional ‘lifeline’ thrown by Ryan to offset the negative comments ….hmmmmmm…something stinks…. 

Yeah, almost like they (the judges+Ryan) were being *forced* into doing something they found distasteful. Geez, maybe that's why Paula got so stoned.

 
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04/26/2006 12:20 PM Alert 
Does anyone find it interesting that there are 3 guys and 3 gals remaining in the competition? I totally agree that there is some amount of control placed on who goes and who stays... at least a strong influence! After all... we wouldn't want to lose any of those high paying advertisers would we?

Also... one of Randy's comments last night was about too many 'runs' in Kat's song... yet the last couple weeks he has PRAISED the 'runs' in her songs.... Hmmmm... makes you wonder doesn't it? His words... or the networks?
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04/26/2006 1:46 PM Alert 
The judges are ALWAYS manipulating the public no doubt. Well, I at least believe Randy and Simon are, I am not sure what Paula's purpose is. I guess I have just never seen them take a drop dead great performance and trash it like they did last night. For example, Taylor and Kellie both definitely had subpar performances and were VERY mildly critiqued as compared to what they did to Kat. As I said, I certainly think they had preplanned to bring Kat back to earth a little this week after the glowing comments from last week but to go to the extreme they did had to make anyone wonder what in the heck is going on. I certainly agree that although I am not sure what all is going on behind the scenes with the FOX producers and the judges there has got to be something going on. Otherwise, after 5 seasons of doing this, none of these judges have yet got a clue as to what constitutes a great performance.
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04/26/2006 3:47 PM Alert 
Here's a little something posted on the AI General Discussion boards (I'm sure it won't stay there long) to fuel the conspiracy debate supposedly from a former guy that worked behind the scenes at AI. I have no idea if true but certainly interesting:

Posted: 4/26/2006 1:19:00 PM PST
Anbody see this post under AI General Discussion? Wonder if this guy is for real... If he is, these low lifes truly have no shame. Welcome to Corporate America, people.

<< up until recently I worked behind the scenes for AI> I started in the middle of season 2. I recently quit my job for personal reasons. Part of that reason was due to some of the unfair things that occur which you fans may or may not be aware of. This season, the producer's decided before the auditions they were looking for a rock or alt/rock singer to fill the gap and appeal to a broader audience. With Bo not winning last season, they wanted to compensate in some form, as well as make their mark in the alt rock market while still maintaining their core audience. Enter Chris Daughtry. While Simon internally was not sold about his marketability, the producer's were dead set on Chris being this year's "One". Simon had no choice but to come around, and he too eventually jumped on that idea. The plan was always to have a guy/guy finale, much like Ruben Clay in season 2. Taylor, was thought to be that person. Along the way came 2 people that are cramping that plan. Enter, Katharine, Elliott. 2 unforeseen obstacles of the AI powers. They are going back and forth on whether to replace Taylor with Elliott, but are set against Katharine, despite her receiving the second highest vote total the last 2 weeks. Thehy know she can sing really well, but this goes against Nigel and Ken's male vs. make planned finale. This is why you witnessed the scathing remarks last night made to her by all the judges. Those remarks were actually scripted following her rehearsal by the AI brass! No matter how she sang the song, those were the remarks they were told to make about her performance. I know this because I have a few good friends that still work behind the scenes, and no I can't name names but they informed me of the "work" yesterday. I'm only writing about some of the unfair things that go on with the show in hopes of bringing some awareness to you, the audience. All I can say is don't be surprised if their chosen one does in fact end up winning. I witnessed season 3 the night fantasia was in the bottom 2, she actually garnered less votes than Latoya that night! You guessed it, she was Simon and the producer's pick so they kept her in there! Season 2, I won't go too far into that one, but let's just say Ruben's win had a little something to do with compensating for Frenchie being dropped from the show. It was a way to quiet the controversy of that decision. I hope you will read what I've written with an open mind, as I know the post probably won't remain on here long. The truth tends to go missing on these boards so I hope I was able to help some viewer's realize what is in the works here!
Sincerely, Rob >>

If this were true, and given the fact that no independent auditing agency validates the voting results, would they give this thing to who they "want" regardless of what the final vote totals are this year? I don't know but I am not knieve enough to think they wouldn't.
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04/26/2006 4:36 PM Alert 

I was saying the same thing at another fansite about how simon as well as others were saying that she was too perfect and everything, and how I thought the judges may have said what they said to get  people to know that she is not always perfect and that she is just a regular girl, so she could possibly get more fans.

 

So I agree with you and I hope that its true!
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04/26/2006 4:37 PM Alert 
I've already lost whatever respect I had for Paula last night after "breaking down" after Elliots performance. Take a little LESS of those pain killers Paula!Show up for "work" with a clear head next time!I'm sure if this thing comes back for another year, they will say the same old thing"THIS year will be the best ever"Pay them enough, and they will say anything.What I'm wondering is, if hell freezes over and Kat leaves, who do we vote for? Do we not vote at all?Personally, I think I would just say the hell with the rest of them, and wait for Katharines album to hit the stores.Or back Taylor for spite
I will of course continue to vote for Kat LIKE CRAZY whatever happens.
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04/26/2006 5:43 PM Alert 
Well, one thing that Fox can't do is fix the votes. They have to count the votes and the votes have to match the results. After all, American Idol does fall into the category of being a game show. If Fox intentionally misleads the public by pushing through a contestant who got the least amount of votes, they're facing not only huge fines but possible incarceration.

What Fox can do is manipulate the public's perception. Last night, was all about pimping Chris and this is my theory for that. Fox (and this includes 19E and whatever other entity is involved in AI) realizes that Kellie will be leaving the show soon. It's very well likely that Katharine will then get more of Kellie's voters than Chris will. So how do you even it up? Beat up Katharine a little bit and tell Chris that he's God's gift to singers everywhere.
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04/26/2006 7:11 PM Alert 
Ummm all I can say is that I pray that that is right.
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Posted By FanofMcPhee on 04/26/2006 3:47 PM
Here's a little something posted on the AI General Discussion boards (I'm sure it won't stay there long) to fuel the conspiracy debate supposedly from a former guy that worked behind the scenes at AI. I have no idea if true but certainly interesting:

Posted: 4/26/2006 1:19:00 PM PST
Anbody see this post under AI General Discussion? Wonder if this guy is for real... If he is, these low lifes truly have no shame. Welcome to Corporate America, people.

<< up until recently I worked behind the scenes for AI> I started in the middle of season 2. I recently quit my job for personal reasons. Part of that reason was due to some of the unfair things that occur which you fans may or may not be aware of. This season, the producer's decided before the auditions they were looking for a rock or alt/rock singer to fill the gap and appeal to a broader audience. With Bo not winning last season, they wanted to compensate in some form, as well as make their mark in the alt rock market while still maintaining their core audience. Enter Chris Daughtry. While Simon internally was not sold about his marketability, the producer's were dead set on Chris being this year's "One". Simon had no choice but to come around, and he too eventually jumped on that idea. The plan was always to have a guy/guy finale, much like Ruben Clay in season 2. Taylor, was thought to be that person. Along the way came 2 people that are cramping that plan. Enter, Katharine, Elliott. 2 unforeseen obstacles of the AI powers. They are going back and forth on whether to replace Taylor with Elliott, but are set against Katharine, despite her receiving the second highest vote total the last 2 weeks. Thehy know she can sing really well, but this goes against Nigel and Ken's male vs. make planned finale. This is why you witnessed the scathing remarks last night made to her by all the judges. Those remarks were actually scripted following her rehearsal by the AI brass! No matter how she sang the song, those were the remarks they were told to make about her performance. I know this because I have a few good friends that still work behind the scenes, and no I can't name names but they informed me of the "work" yesterday. I'm only writing about some of the unfair things that go on with the show in hopes of bringing some awareness to you, the audience. All I can say is don't be surprised if their chosen one does in fact end up winning. I witnessed season 3 the night fantasia was in the bottom 2, she actually garnered less votes than Latoya that night! You guessed it, she was Simon and the producer's pick so they kept her in there! Season 2, I won't go too far into that one, but let's just say Ruben's win had a little something to do with compensating for Frenchie being dropped from the show. It was a way to quiet the controversy of that decision. I hope you will read what I've written with an open mind, as I know the post probably won't remain on here long. The truth tends to go missing on these boards so I hope I was able to help some viewer's realize what is in the works here!
Sincerely, Rob >>

Let's all pray real hard that this guy is just playing with our heads. I tend to think it is so much BS because, if they really were anit-Kat she wouldn't have received the "El Primo" treatment last week. Actually this guy's story fits with my theory pretty well, if you consider that the underlings at AI just see the misdirection, and may not be informed of the TRUE plan.
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