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09/11/2007 1:21 AM Alert 

The following comments are brutally honest ones and somewhere down below contain descriptive words that might seem like are bashing Kat, but (to the Moderators, please understand what I am trying to say with as much controlled manners as possible) I assure you, I am not bashing Kat. I'm just expressing the thoughts that are going through my mind.

 


My Reaction to the "Fallen Angel" photoshoot:

 

I recently saw the "Fallen Angel" photoshoot pics and I gotta say, I don't like them. I know Kat is a classy person who can be sexy without going over the edge but I'm sorry to say that these pics are inappropriate.

 

 I don't really approve of the dark mascara or dark eye makeup at all. That sort of thing does not match Kat's image at all. I don't like seeing the dark/evil gothic look on a pretty face like Kat's, that's not her one bit.

 

And some of the outfits she is wearing in those pics, the one where she is wearing a black mask and is holding a whip (looks like one to me at least), it makes her look like she is one of those "Bad Boy" hookers that you see in these old 80's movies who the men take back to their hotel room and get a rough spanking. And I know that's not Kat.

 

And the title of the photo shoot or magazine or whatever it's called does not match who Kat is not even the slightest.

"Fallen Angel" do you know what that means? "Fallen Angel" is another way to describe the devil because originally Satan was an angel in heaven but he was one of the angels who had fallen out of heaven and dropped into Hell. All of us know for a fact that Kat is not a fallen angel. Kat is not evil, Kat is not bad, Kat's personality isn't the Gothic dark side.

 

This whole photoshoot has nothing to even do with who Kat portrays herself out to be. There really is no one to blame for this except her because she agreed to do it and why she agreed I have no idea.

 

I realize I am being harsh and probably rude in this response but this is how I feel about this decision she has made. As fans lets face the truth, Kat is not perfect, she does make mistakes like anyone else but this photo shoot....it's not who she is at all and dare I say it, she does not look beautiful in these pics. The dark make-up takes away the beauty and gives you something evil and quite scary looking ( and I mean scary in a bad way).

 

I realize for Kat that it's all dress up for her where she likes to experiment and have fun with it but when making that decision you have to think how people will react. Okay so she experimented, had her fun and now as a result, I'm not seeing anything that pleases me.

 

As Katfan49 wrote in his masterpiece writing: This is one bad tile that Kat has made and I hope that I don't see anymore tiles like this.

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09/11/2007 1:41 AM Alert 

Katharine is a performer. Everything she does is a performance. Performance = Act. Every time she sings she is playing a part. Every time she takes a picture she is playing a part for a brief moment. And she is very very good at it. This is why I know she is going to be a great actress. And she is going to play a lot of different parts in her movies. None of them will be the real her. Some of them she might even play a bad or even an evil character. So what? It is acting. As are these pictures.

No one involved in this shoot is being anti-religous. That is only your perception. Actually I thought the shoot was part S & M/B & D, part biker leather, but each to his own interpretation.

"Fallen Angel" might be interpreted by some to be Lucifer. To me it means "Angel" as in a girl who is seen as very beautiful and sweet and good. The "Fallen" means reality has caught up with her and she finds herself not so perfect or innocent after all. In this particular case it is just a throw away phrase that fits the photo shoot. Relax - no matter now edgy Katharine tries to be we know she will always be a total sweetheart.

I've known quite a few Goths, even dated one when that fashion movement first started way back in the 80s. As a group they have been the nicest bunch of people I've ever met in my life.

Sorry but I think your reaction is extreme. I don't see any harm in these pictures at all. They are just very edgy. You will probably find yourself in the minority with your opinion of them.

You are welcome to your opinion and thanks for sharing it. I hope you will respect everyone else's opinion on this, including Katharine's.

At least it is 444 magazine and not...oh never mind!

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09/11/2007 2:01 AM Alert 
DiehardKatfan, your opinions about Kat's Fallen Angel photoshoot are well said.  I think the problem is in separating who we think Kat is apart from who she is portraying in these photoshoots. You've got it right when you say:

"I realize for Kat that it's all dress up for her where she likes to experiment and have fun with it but when making that decision you have to think how people will react..."

Kat is into the art of make believe, the movies, theatre, singing a song, doing photoshoots....

So you might call this photoshoot something you would not  "buy"  and then again someone else would choose to "buy" it.  Now, Kat has been quoted as saying she would never pose for "Playboy"?  Doing that for some might be going too far, but then again for some they might "buy" that too.

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09/11/2007 2:03 AM Alert 
I don't think the editor's of this magazine are thinking deeply in a theological sense so I don't take it that way just that she's not perfect.  I don't care for any of the s&m type pictures because I'd hate ANY picture that would try to glorify s&m. Otherwise, I'm ok with this shoot and I'd call myself fairly conservative. As Phee says, Kat is playing a "part" and does not live or become that part outside of the shoot (at least I hope not!)  Now if she decides to shoot for Playboy....that would be another story altogether for me 

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09/11/2007 2:19 AM Alert 

Even liberal me wouldn't be happy with Katharine doing a Playboy shoot. 

And I'd say so and then have to get over it and live with it.

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09/11/2007 2:41 AM Alert 
Nick may be running for his life after seeing that whip. And, as far as we know--it just may be an s&m-obsessed biker rather than a dominatrix.

I just saw the pictures for the first time a few minutes ago and didn't even recognize Kat in a few of them. But while I agree with you somewhat, Matt, we really do have to start bringing the old philosophy of separating the artist from the person. I admit that I frequently have trouble doing that with my favorite artists. In a way, Kat blew that theory apart when we realized that her true persona was just as wonderful as her performing abilities. Even great philosophers centuries ago warned people about keeping the artistry in a separate corner from an artist's reality. I've come to the conclusion, though, that Kat's one of the best method actors around. She's going merely by instinct--but I think she goes into that "pretend" world so far sometimes...that she looks a little too convincing in those characters she's creating in these photoshoots.

And I think that's one key to remember: These darker photoshoots are obviously Kat proving her acting skills before she finally gets seen on the big screen. That was obviously a brilliant idea: Show your ability to be a chameleon in a modeling shoot rather than waiting to prove those skills in movie theatres. After all, we won't be seeing the movie she's making now until the middle of 2008. "The Last Caller" may not get released until much later if it doesn't get a distributor right away.

We also have to come to the realization that Kat has two personalities: One conservative one and one that befits the bad girl (if you can even call it that). Perhaps she's just created the latter one to create an edge to her that she thinks helps in the entertainment world (unfortunately true)--but good for her for fooling everyone if that's the case.

Fortunately, Kat's classy photoshoots usually outweigh these edgier ones. I think, too, that she wants to please all bases and do something for everybody. One camp may not like this one--but another will. I won't even ask which ones love these, but those who like whips are people too.

It's best to just look forward to Kat's next classy photoshoot and expect the next edgy one will be quite a while from now...
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09/11/2007 2:54 AM Alert 

We all have our own opinions and ideas of what Katharine McPhee is as a person.  When she says or does something that goes against what you have come to believe that she is, it is most likely your own fault for coming to that conclusion in the first place. 

Fans who build some rigid, unbending idea of what Katharine is will most likely end up disappointed when she does something to show that she is NOT what they believed her to be. 

Whether this photoshoot and interview is a "mistake" or not should be determined by Katharine McPhee herself, not by a few fans who feel that it goes against the idea that they have built in their own mind of what Katharine is.

I love the photos, I think they're sexy, artistic, hot, playful, AND classy.  Everything that Katharine is to me.


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09/11/2007 3:05 AM Alert 
I think you said it very respectfully Matt and I know that you love Katharine as much as I do. I don't feel the same way at all though, and I think this was the vision of the photographer and his/her story to tell and Katharine was the one playing a role to convey it. When Katharine relvealed her issues after Idol, to me, it showed a person that struggled for a long time dealing with fitting into the expectations of others throughout her life. I don't want to put those back into her life so that she has to fall back a few steps again. She's a grown woman with a beautiful heart and if that's dressed in a fairy princess outfit, dog collar with a whip or barely dressed in a magazine...to me, I still see a beautiful heart. No amount of clothing or lack of clothing is going to change that. Her decisions should not be about pleasing anyone but herself and everyone else either accepts that or doesn't. But that becomes our issue, not hers. I personally LOVE the shoot, I think it's artful and knowing Kat's background of theater etc. perhaps that's how she sees it to, but that's just a guess on my part because she's not a personal friend of mine...I'm just a fan. I want Katharine to be herself because that's why I love her...if she was what I wanted or expected her to be, she'd be an extension of me and not Katharine. Maybe looking at it in a different way will help you figure this out so it doesn't upset you so much.

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09/11/2007 5:06 AM Alert 
Ahhhhh, all I have to say is... I LOVE THE PICTURES. hahaha. I would read this whole thread, but all I wanna do right now is stare at them. Kat looks amazingggggggggggg.
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09/11/2007 5:52 AM Alert 

                       One of the reasons for why I was drawn to the idea of being a Kat Phan was her personality.. or lack of a fundamental external one. It seems like she's one of those people who behaves sorta like me.. and like you and like almost everyone. She tends to mirror people.. not in a sense of jest but out of insecurity...  (If you've noticed in some of her interviews) because she feels that people will be more comfortable in talking to someone who talks just like them.

                        But, despite that, she holds her principles with her. She knows what's right and what's wrong and harmful to someone. If there's anything that would hurt someone, I doubt she'd do it intentionally. Whereas, if she were to sacrifice something to make someone else happy, I have a feeling she might do it. So long as it doesn't hurt anyone, she's fine with doing it.

                         I think, she believes that this isn't hurting/shouldn't hurt anyone quite seriously. She knows that she's not who that person is and you know that too. That's what is important. I think she'd rather people give her the benefit of the doubt.

 

Gosh, I'll stop now, I'm talking about me through her.  

 

Anyway, the point is this. She's happy knowing that there are people who know who the real her is. She  knows that things like Playboy and other whatevers (Indian living in a village here ) break her limits.

 

Okay, seriously stopping now.

 

ETA:  Okay, I found something that better suits this "McPhee, for instance rarely holds a steady note, nor sings a syllable like the previous, or the next. She charges each moment of sound with its own individual greatness: with soul. "  The same is with her, she lives every moment to her best... whatever the situation be. If she's going to play out as a bad girl, she's going to do it all out (Within her ethical limits).  So long as it's not degrading, it shouldn't matter.. atleast in an ideal world.


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09/11/2007 7:09 AM Alert 
Funny, I just wrote on IDF about this.

I just think it's all a crock. Selfishly, I want to see photographers capture the essence of who kat is rather than the same dress-up game time after time. There's nothing original about what they are doing, and rather it's very easy.

Someone like painter Francesco Clemente is renowned (spl) because of his ability to capture people. He just gets what they are about... he can read there microexpressions and put them on the canvas.

I'm disappointed that these photographers don't bother trying to build the shoots around who kat is. Rather they have their concept, and ask kat to fit into it. I am sure kat longs for that with producers in music. To me, the shoot is not believable... i smell bs. To your typical reader, it is believable.

As someone who really enjoys who kat is as a person, I am tired of these types of shoots. I want to see kat smile and enough of the constant projected images of someone she rarely if ever is in her actual life.


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09/11/2007 8:03 AM Alert 
This photoshoot is more evidence of Kat's wonderful versatility...one of the infinite number of looks she can inhabit/portray.Agree with Phee...Kat is playing a role here and we should realize that a little leather will not change the Katharine we know and love.Would we be upset if Kat eventually plays a fallen angel character in a film?I don't think so....many actors have said those against-type parts are the most fun to portray!! We could also ask...what is the puropse of a magazine photoshoot....hello:to sell magazines! Many people are finding these shots very hot!It's great to know Kat is in demand and that this is yet more exposure for her budding career!
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09/11/2007 8:55 AM Alert 

Got to disagree Ken.

There have been portrait painters for thousands of years and protrait photographers for 150. In both of these cases the artist or photographer's objective is to capture the true person.

This photoshoot and most of the artier ones are more akin to acting where the subject is asked to play the part that the photographer has in mind. He wanted Katharine because of her beauty and probably because by now she has a reputation as being a great photographers subject due to her inate and learned acting ability.

I think this is great for Katharine. It really is her third career and will give her great exposure for the other two.

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09/11/2007 9:15 AM Alert 
I, too, was a bit upset when I first saw these photos. The suggestiveness (?) of the image and the words "Fallen Angel" had me becoming defensive about the inappropriate concept. However, we have to get used to Katharine's many images in the future since she has decided to become a movie actor. She is merely playing a role as part of her job. I'm certain Katharine had a good laugh about this, much like her recent faux pregnancy. The mods at KMF would understand your concern as would your fellow McPhans. Keep on loving Kat.
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09/11/2007 9:39 AM Alert 
Posted By Pheenomenon on 09/11/2007 8:55 AM

Got to disagree Ken.

There have been portrait painters for thousands of years and protrait photographers for 150. In both of these cases the artist or photographer's objective is to capture the true person.

This photoshoot and most of the artier ones are more akin to acting where the subject is asked to play the part that the photographer has in mind. He wanted Katharine because of her beauty and probably because by now she has a reputation as being a great photographers subject due to her inate and learned acting ability.

I think this is great for Katharine. It really is her third career and will give her great exposure for the other two.





you're right Simon.  This isn't a portrait photographer.  I guess because they are taking portaits in a certain sense I see so much potential for what they could do, but the whole thing was probably planned by creative directors and editors before kat set foot in the studio. 


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09/11/2007 10:07 AM Alert 

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09/11/2007 10:12 AM Alert 
Has anyone ever watched America's Next Top Model?  These girls do all kinds of crazy shoots that have nothing to do with who they are. One that comes to mind is the one where they had to do poses portraying murderous revenge and murder victims...I'm sure none of them fall into that category. It was all about how they could bring realistic poses and facial expressions that would be convincing of the theme of the shoot.  That said, Kat certainly did that in this and many other shoots, oooooohhh, scary, I'd hate to get her mad at me!!!  

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09/11/2007 10:44 AM Alert 
It is funny what upsets people because I find images of Katharine in leather with a mask and riding crop in hand to be more amusing than anything else.  Personally,  I am more "offended" (way to strong of a word, read: uncomfortable) with the lying on the back with the legs raised perpendicular shot a la the Stuff and Vegas photo shoots than I am this faux "dominatrix" garb and psuedo "Satanic" theme.  In fact, having seen the behinds the scenes stuff from Vegas I'm even less comfortable with that particular shot.

Perhaps some are taking this "Fallen Angel" stuff way to seriously.  You might want to keep in might that Katharine does not particularly care for this "innocent girl next door" image that seems to have been part of her Idol legacy.  In fact, she has made repeated efforts to deflate that image.  The text that accompanies these pics is a continuation of that movement away from "Idol innocence", from what I've been told. 

Ok, the pictures themselves.  Hmm,  well I'm not a fan of the heavy eye makeup look but it is almost required with a dark mask, think Batman.  I actually kind of like the "Fallen Angel" theme and the shot of the fallen and broken Kat with her legs akimbo, from an artistic point of view.  I think Kat is treating these magazine  photo shoots like roles and playing the part that is required.

I recall that Phee was considerably taken aback with Katharine's Goth look for the Los Angeles regional magazine (name escapes me) shoot a while back and he seems to be taking these in stride.  I hope to see a similar evolution in DieHard's viewpoint as the many facets of Katharine McPhee become known to us as this journey continues.  I wouldn't read too much into the religious connotations of the set theme because those will be lost on the vast majority of the intended audience.
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09/11/2007 10:54 AM Alert 
Posted By Gregoriancant on 09/11/2007 2:41 AM
I've come to the conclusion, though, that Kat's one of the best method acto