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What are your thoughts about single #2?
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15 Mar 2010 05:35 PM  

I think the fact that today was not the adds day for Terrified, and the fact that Kat tweeted she was "singing one of your favorites Terrified" and not "singing my new single Terrified" after her Leno performance that the odds of Terrified being #2 have dropped significantly. IMO if next week isn't the adds date then it won't be #2. All of the momentum of the song will be lost if they wait any longer than that. They may have reservations caused by all the Kara Didi comparisons. There is a bit of a risk picking it and the fact that they haven't done it yet means they are not certain of it being the right choice. There seems no other logical possibility for why they are waiting so long to give an adds date. HIA dropped below 100 spins a week finally and will probably be out of the Top 30 by next week if not sooner. Something must be causing their hesitation. Personally How has always been my preferred choice but the reaction to Terrified after Didi in terms of sales was hard to ignore. It is now the #1 most downloaded song from the CD but for some reason Verve is hesitating. Hopefully we will get an answer soon but the longer it takes, the less likely it will be Terrified to me.

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15 Mar 2010 06:25 PM  
I think It's How or Brand New Key for the next single.Terrified imo has to many hands in the pie.
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15 Mar 2010 06:39 PM  

I agree with Bill and Goody.  The comparison with Kara/Didi version would be too much.  Already I see it on youtube comments.

My pick would be How or Keep on Drivin

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15 Mar 2010 09:09 PM  

Personally, I'm tired of the damn waiting and I'm getting frustrated. However, I don't see why the opinions of some Idol-obsessed people would really make that much of a difference. The general public doesn't really know of the controversy nor care if they did and they would be the ones to hear the song on radio and buy the single and album. I also don't see why today should be any special day for adds. I also don't see why they would ask us to request Terrified with radio and get the song on the agenda of Program Directors and then come out with a different song, unless they've decided to change direction. I'm not sure why it's taking them so long to make or announce a decision. I do think if we haven't heard anything by the end of the month, that won't be good. Hell, for all we know they may be deciding not to release a second single, though they would be missing an opportunity if that were the case.

As for the second single, if it's not Terrified, I think It's Not Right or How would be a good choice. But Terrified seems to be good at noticably selling the single and some of the album, unlike HIA.


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15 Mar 2010 10:29 PM  

Verve asked us to request Terrified at radio to help it become her second single 3 weeks ago tomorrow. There has been no word since. Nothing. Putting aside the possible comparisons, that is not a good sign of their confidence in the song. Now maybe that will change and we will hear something tomorrow or this week but IMO if we have not heard anything and it is not getting added next monday then it simply isn't the song they are planning to work. I really don't get the delay nor the lack of anything about it.

Kat's tweet about the performance on Leno speaks volumes to me. That would have been the perfect opportunity to announce they had chosen the song for second single but they didn't do it. She also said it was one of YOUR favorites, not MY or OUR or something else. If Terrified was decided to be the second single and even if there was no adds date chosen, why not just say "Watch me on Leno when I sing my new single Terrified" they could then say headed to radio "soon". They are good at that lol. In a lot of ways to me that is far more telling than the lack of info from Verve. But combined with that lack of info, I think there is a growing possibility that they are going in a different direction.

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15 Mar 2010 11:48 PM  

I've always thought How was one of the better songs as far as having a beat and a hook and something to get radio listeners' attention. Since my jazz station disappeared I've been listening to some of the local AC stations and trying to figure out what kind of sound(s) predominate, and it's really all over the place, but somehow I can see HOW fitting in there. Right between "Na-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh, when you find you, come back to me" and "It's a quarter after one, I'm a little drunk and I need you now."  Those two are driving me crazy! How can I get them out of my head? Can you tell me how-ow-ow??

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16 Mar 2010 07:06 AM  
I have always thought that "Its not right" would be a great single hit. This has been my thought since I bought the album.
And I agree, "Terrified" has to many hands on the pie! Also "Last letter" sounds very radio friendly to me and could also be
a hit. What do you think?
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16 Mar 2010 10:13 AM  
I have always liked INR as well. It has been a tossup for me between it and How but I settled on How because it has a better hook to me. But I would be happy with either. Actually I would be happy with anything right now. I am very supportive of Verve and its plans I just can't seem to figure out what they are right now.
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16 Mar 2010 11:39 AM  
Excellent point CEM-STEVE, "to many hands on the pie" re: Terrified
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16 Mar 2010 12:42 PM  

Ditto all that stuff. I love INR.

I don't think most of the world that listens to the radio would know a whole lot about how many hands had been on Terrified. But if they were going to capitalize on its Idol exposure, that's waned. At least its iTunes numbers seem to be going down.

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16 Mar 2010 05:22 PM  

Re: Terrified, when Kat sang BHCT on Idol , it sent KC's album to the moon.

What's up with that? Why does Idol continue to snub Kat by not mentioning her version of the song and crediting only Kara? I think Kat's main friend on Idol was Nigel, and he's no longer there. They seem to throw her very few bones compared to other winners and runners-up.

So, why is Verve hesitating on the new single? I have no clue...except most things have to do with $$$. Maybe they want to be sure that Terrified will be received well as the new single before commiting to the promotion. And maybe theiy're still not sure. Which is why they were trying to drive fan reaction in order to convince management to part with the dollars.

As far as my personal choices, favorites are not singles. Singles have to be ear worms, with hooks-of-steel. If it doesn't keep repeating in your head after hearing it, it's not a radio single. That said, I think "It's Not Right" is a good choice. I  also still like "Lifetime", and Mike may just be right about "Brand New Key". "How"? I've finally warmed up to it, but not as a second siingle.

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16 Mar 2010 06:07 PM  

Bill, I think you have some good points. " It's Not Right" is the first song on the CD for a reason. It just grabs you and makes you want to hear more. It would be a great single, IMO. I do worry about the live performances though as it uses quite a bit of vocal layering, similar to "Over It". But heck, look at the Jimmy Kimmel video and tell me she didn't do okay just singing along with a sound track. I like" Lifetime" a lot also, as it is really happy, has a good beat, and is easy to remember the hook. Maybe" How" would work also. I also agree about AI. They seem a lot more interested in promoting the artists under related management. I feel that AI could be a blessing or a curse. Lately it seems more like a curse after seeing all the negative, immature comments related to Kat and "Terrified" on the blog posts, even though she does a fantastic job of presenting her interpretation of this song, and she's never been given credit by anyone on the show. Howvever, I can picture sales of "Its Not Right" or "Lifetime" (and" Unbroken") hitting the stratusphere if she should sing either on the show.

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16 Mar 2010 06:24 PM  

Bil..Imo Verve has to make a decesion about a second single asap.Katharine needs a  big hook. I already lived through BNK the first time around.

It was incredible and was playing everywhere we{my family went}.It's very possible that the legeal eagles at Verve are working on obtaining permission to release this as a single.

In regards the Pink House Pilot NBC will imo make a very quick decesion.Katharine has almost three months of open time between April 11 and July 13.

Katharine mentioned House Of Blues gigs in an interview two weeks ago.She said the dates were on her site.Haven't seen anything about this on any of Kat's sites

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16 Mar 2010 06:36 PM  

This might help Verve make their decesion faster

Thank you for ordering tickets for the new comedy - THE PINK HOUSE - on Thursday, March 25. This show date has been canceled. The show is now scheduled to film on FRIDAY, APRIL 9 at 6:30pm. If you would like to attend on the new show date, please either return to our website to reorder tickets for the new date or reply to this email and we will transfer your name to the ticket list for April 9. Thanks again for your interest in the show,tvtickets.com Ticket Dept.
 

 

Does this mean Katharine's April 09 Performance at Harrah's Atlantic City is cancelled?

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16 Mar 2010 06:58 PM  
Very interesting Mike. I think the delay in shooting is being caused by the fact that the show isn't completely cast yet which is understandable. If this causes another date on her tour to be changed then this could be having an significant effect on Verve's decision about the single. I just hope we don't get into a replay of the issues she had with RCA and her Music/Acting choices.
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16 Mar 2010 07:10 PM  

Oh my, not good at all.

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16 Mar 2010 08:13 PM  
I think you are right Bill about the casting situation.Harrah's or Goucher has to moved around or one has to cancell out.My guess is Goucher will stay the same.Katharine places charitable obligations before commercial performances.The Sheppard Foundation imo will come out on top.
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16 Mar 2010 08:24 PM  

This could be the cause of some tension and friction between her and the label as we saw in the past. Touring is a significant way to help in the promotion of the record and if they get into a situation where her acting commitments continue to take priority over her touring commitments then it could easily cause friction between them. Maybe this is the reason behind the silence we have been seeing. Three weeks without any info on the second single after they asked us to start requesting what we all assumed would be it is very very strange indeed. I mean why spend the money and effort to promote a single if she is going to continue to cancel or reschedule the very few dates she has committed to.I hate to say it but this is starting to sound a lot like the summer of 07 all over again.

All in all I don't like this situation. You don't cancel a date a a major casino on a weekend night for something you committed to AFTER you committed to the show. This is not a great situation at all.

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16 Mar 2010 08:40 PM  
Bill..I believe Verve knew what they were gettimg into with Katharine when they signed her.It's possible they will switch Gocher to another date.We know she can't be in two places at the same time.They were able t switch the Holcomb Date from 3/25 to 4/02.
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16 Mar 2010 08:46 PM  
But the taping is the night of the Harrah's concert. She could make Goucher the next night. Hey she only has 6 dates booked and has already had to postpone/cancel 2 or possibly 3 of them because of her acting commitments. That is not good no matter how they spin it. If I was Verve I think I might not be too happy right now. Its not like she has 50 dates booked and has to change 2. Also if the show gets picked up that means shooting will probably start in July so the summer dates could be in jeopardy as well. I don't know Mike, I'm starting to get a feeling of deja vu about now.
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17 Mar 2010 12:58 AM  
It just occurred to me that Katharine once "canceled" 2-1/2 years of college to go home and get in on pilot season because she wanted to be an actress. It was almost like the musical gigs came because they were there and preferable to working in an office. So when I think about it, I guess I wouldn't be surprised to see her putting acting first. I just hope that doesn't mess up what seemed to be such a great relationship with her label. The flip side of that is, being seen in millions of people's homes every week in a hit sitcom (we hope) might provide a lot of free publicity for her music.
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17 Mar 2010 04:13 PM  
Goucher probably can't be moved to another date, as it's a fundraiser and not a Kat-centric concert. Kat will either have to hotfoot it to the East Coast after taping Pink House or cancel her participation so they can get another artist.

We've been blaming Verve for the lack of a 2nd single release, but it seems pretty clear to me the the likely reason is the scheduling of the Pink House pilot. I don't recall where I said it, but I've been thinking for a week or more that Kat's acting projects might be causing scheduling difficulties and the moving of the pilot shoot makes it seem pretty likely that's the cause.

Verve could have probably released the second single in February, but they may not have been ready at that point. Kat obviously doesn't have control over actual scheduling, but she did choose to take the pilot only a few weeks ago when they told her she had the part so she is responsible for a major portion of this. We can only hope that Verve doesn't have a problem with the scheduling changes and resulting delays or things are not going to be pretty with her music career including alienating her fanbase.

If Verve hasn't decided just to forgo a second single, they may be waiting for the finalization or actual taping of the pilot shoot before scheduling promo for the 2nd release. I just wish they or Kat would communicate that to us.
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17 Mar 2010 07:54 PM  
Posted By groucho on 17 Mar 2010 12:58 AM
It just occurred to me that Katharine once "canceled" 2-1/2 years of college to go home and get in on pilot season because she wanted to be an actress. It was almost like the musical gigs came because they were there and preferable to working in an office.

What he said.

As far as single #2, Terrified is still my first choice. If that isn't a go and a similar (somewhat) uptempo/powerful song is needed, I would go with It's Not Right or Faultline. If they want a slower/gentler song, I'd use Unbroken, Surrender, or Lifetime. I hope the single won't be How (the melody is too odd), Keep On Drivin' or Last Letter (too cliched), or Brand New Key (unless they have a remixed version that's at least 50% faster or peppier).

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17 Mar 2010 10:06 PM  
I don't think BNK needs to be any peppier, it seems fine to me, but I'm not sure it's single material. Talk about odd songs... And I wouldn't call Lifetime slower/gentler than Faultline. It seems far peppier (my current word of choice) to me. For that matter, Lifetime is upbeat, cute, catchy, and who knows, would anyone ever have thought Bubbly would be such a hit? I really haven't a clue right now.

Here's my question of the day. Does anybody introduce songs on AC today? WNIC is nothing but recycled Top 40 stuff that's not rap, hip hop, heavy metal or country. All over the place within that, including country crossover and hits from 40 years ago. How do you actually start a song out on AC? In Detroit, that has Katharine competing with Miley Cyrus, Lady Antebellum, Daughtry, David Cook, Taylor Swift, and clear on back to Elton John, Journey, and Michael Jackson.
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29 Mar 2010 08:31 AM  
Terrified was played this morning on San Francisco station K101, monitored HAC station at 6:17 PST.
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29 Mar 2010 09:06 AM  
I think this needs a new thread! Mainly because its KIOI They were a HUGE OI spinner!
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