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The Lyric Minutiae (or the ee(cummings) in (katharine mcph)ee)
Last Post 10 Sep 2007 02:32 AM by Gregoriancant. 12 Replies.
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04 Sep 2007 12:18 PM  

Thanks to CRB..a little surprise he has not posted this here.

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<!--quotec-->The Lyric Minutiae (or the ee(cummings) in (katharine mcph)ee)
Filed under: E.E. Cummings, dead poets, lyric poetry, craft of poetry, Katharine McPhee, American Idol, poems, language, song lyrics, poets, poetry — Clattery MacHinery @ 7:25 am

In a recent forum thread, the scanning of poems was touched on. It was asserted that one responsibility of the poet is to captivate the reader; such that if readers are losing track of theme and meaning, if we are not drawn in, the poet did not write the poem well; thus a significant difference between a good poem and a bad one. Let’s take the next step: even after all the right work is done to a poet’s best ability, we may get results from the ear of a gifted poet, or one not so gifted.

As a musing or inspiration becomes cast onto the page by a poet, no rules exist in poetry that cannot be broken. Even modern sonnets do not have to be 14 lines of iambic pentameter, nor with a regular endline rhyme pattern.

One general rule is that each word must count in a poem, moreso than in conversation, an essay or a story. And each word must count even moreso in the lyric poem than the epic or dramatic. Part of the reason is how we read a lyric. Words so cast upon the page, draw attention to the minutiae in language such that, it is not only the words but each sound and sense, each nuance of each syllable that becomes vitally important, even how each letter looks next to the others and in relation to the white space.

Below is E.E. Cummings’ lyric poem “anyone lived in a pretty how town.” Following that, is Katharine McPhee singing the song “Better off Alone” (and it is her song, not the homemade video that is applicable to this post’s purposes). There are other great lyric poets, and other great lyric singers, but these two illustrate the point of the lyric very well for us–just as others would.

Cummings pays attention to each vowel and consonant sound in his writing. McPhee does this in her singing. And they both do it, not only to the benefit of the flow of the lyric, to captivate us, but to the enhancement of each and every sound, every sense, and each and every moment as the lyric goes through its time.

<!--sizeo:6--><!--/sizeo-->McPhee, for instance rarely holds a steady note, nor sings a syllable like the previous, or the next. She charges each moment of sound with its own individual greatness: with soul.<!--sizec--><!--/sizec--> Cummings is blending rhymes and near rhymes, alliterations, archetypically charged words, in his own soulful way. These are living creations for us. <!--sizeo:7--><!--/sizeo-->Through both these works of art, the poetry lyric and the song lyric, our language is brought to supernormal heights, that only gifted artists who then work at their crafts can achieve to the high benefit of the rest of us in the culture.<!--sizec--><!--/sizec--><!--QuoteEnd-->

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This guy gets Better Off Alone!

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04 Sep 2007 01:18 PM  
Too bad this talent is lost on most listeners of rhythmic-pop.
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04 Sep 2007 01:46 PM  
I'd forgotten just how good "Better off alone" is. Now if only they would go way out on a limb and make this the next single.
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04 Sep 2007 03:27 PM  
I know I am in the minority but think Better Off Alone would be perfect right now on HAC.
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04 Sep 2007 07:43 PM  
better off alone should bee the next single
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04 Sep 2007 11:28 PM  

bcollan:

You might want to change you signature to:


2007 2008: The Year of the Kat!

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05 Sep 2007 06:57 AM  
Posted By Pheenomenon on 09/04/2007 11:28 PM

bcollan:

You might want to change you signature to:


2007 2008: The Year of the Kat!



But 2007 HAS been 'the year of the Kat'!
She's appeared on more red carpets, TV shows and magazines than ever,
and is finishing off the year with 2 feature films.

Not too shabby in my book!
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05 Sep 2007 10:12 AM  
Posted By luv4llntkm on 09/04/2007 12:18 PM

Thanks to CRB..a little surprise he has not posted this here.

http://clatterymachinery.wordpress....ne-mcphee/

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<!--quotec-->The Lyric Minutiae (or the ee(cummings) in (katharine mcph)ee)
Filed under: E.E. Cummings, dead poets, lyric poetry, craft of poetry, Katharine McPhee, American Idol, poems, language, song lyrics, poets, poetry — Clattery MacHinery @ 7:25 am

In a recent forum thread, the scanning of poems was touched on. It was asserted that one responsibility of the poet is to captivate the reader; such that if readers are losing track of theme and meaning, if we are not drawn in, the poet did not write the poem well; thus a significant difference between a good poem and a bad one. Let’s take the next step: even after all the right work is done to a poet’s best ability, we may get results from the ear of a gifted poet, or one not so gifted.

As a musing or inspiration becomes cast onto the page by a poet, no rules exist in poetry that cannot be broken. Even modern sonnets do not have to be 14 lines of iambic pentameter, nor with a regular endline rhyme pattern.

One general rule is that each word must count in a poem, moreso than in conversation, an essay or a story. And each word must count even moreso in the lyric poem than the epic or dramatic. Part of the reason is how we read a lyric. Words so cast upon the page, draw attention to the minutiae in language such that, it is not only the words but each sound and sense, each nuance of each syllable that becomes vitally important, even how each letter looks next to the others and in relation to the white space.

Below is E.E. Cummings’ lyric poem “anyone lived in a pretty how town.” Following that, is Katharine McPhee singing the song “Better off Alone” (and it is her song, not the homemade video that is applicable to this post’s purposes). There are other great lyric poets, and other great lyric singers, but these two illustrate the point of the lyric very well for us–just as others would.

Cummings pays attention to each vowel and consonant sound in his writing. McPhee does this in her singing. And they both do it, not only to the benefit of the flow of the lyric, to captivate us, but to the enhancement of each and every sound, every sense, and each and every moment as the lyric goes through its time.

<!--sizeo:6--><!--/sizeo-->McPhee, for instance rarely holds a steady note, nor sings a syllable like the previous, or the next. She charges each moment of sound with its own individual greatness: with soul.<!--sizec--><!--/sizec--> Cummings is blending rhymes and near rhymes, alliterations, archetypically charged words, in his own soulful way. These are living creations for us. <!--sizeo:7--><!--/sizeo-->Through both these works of art, the poetry lyric and the song lyric, our language is brought to supernormal heights, that only gifted artists who then work at their crafts can achieve to the high benefit of the rest of us in the culture.<!--sizec--><!--/sizec--><!--QuoteEnd-->

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This guy gets Better Off Alone!



The first couple of times I listened to the album, I remember thinking that there were places where I wished she'd done this or that differently, just held something a little longer or belted it a little harder or something, becaues I don't think I'd figured out what she was doing. I may not have until I actually watched some of the footage of her recording, and saw as well as heard what was going on. I could see the expressions on her face, see the way she talks with her hands when she's singing something really emotionally potent, or sometimes almost whispered, leaning into the microphone, like the words were supposed to be going right from her lips into your ear. I guess she was creating a tone poem. I just wasn't looking at it right.
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05 Sep 2007 11:54 AM  

Who is Clattery MacHinery? I like what he/she has written what we here already know...


...McPhee, for instance rarely holds a steady note, nor sings a syllable like the previous, or the next. She charges each moment of sound with its own individual greatness: with soul. Cummings is blending rhymes and near rhymes, alliterations, archetypically charged words, in his own soulful way. These are living creations for us. Through both these works of art, the poetry lyric and the song lyric, our language is brought to supernormal heights, that only gifted artists who then work at their crafts can achieve to the high benefit of the rest of us in the culture.


We here already know Katharine McPhee is a gifted artist.  Soon, the rest of the world will recognize that too!!!



We are definitely working together -- working on a record together. She sings so magnificently, it's just amazing -David Foster-


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05 Sep 2007 01:23 PM  
Hi Minnie,

I'm Clattery MacHinery. Don't tell anyone, though. It's a pseudonym.

Yours,
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05 Sep 2007 01:49 PM  
Posted By rusbowden on 09/05/2007 1:23 PM
Hi Minnie,

I'm Clattery MacHinery. Don't tell anyone, though. It's a pseudonym.

Yours,
Rus








   Rus.  Your fine writing is welcomed as well too!

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05 Sep 2007 04:12 PM  
Posted By bcollan on 09/04/2007 1:18 PM
Too bad this talent is lost on most listeners of rhythmic-pop.


EXACTLY what i was thinking.
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10 Sep 2007 02:32 AM  
Somebody asked in another thread how some of Kat's power ballads were written (meaning lyrics first or music first). I'm pretty sure that the lyrics to "Better Off Alone" were written first. And they weren't written by Austin Carroll. Susan Marshall is credited as writing the lyrics (possibly first)--followed by Austin writing the music next. If Austin's still reading here--correct me if I'm wrong. It seems that, more often than not, lyrics are written first--especially in songwriting collabs. If you're writing by yourself (as I've done)--it can mean whole kinds of weird creative patterns. Most people who adhere to certain techniques would slap me on the wrists if I told them I spontaneously create lyrics as I'm writing each musical phrase. 

Anyway, that E.E. Cummings connection with Kat's singing is a great literary connection. Simply put, though, Kat's enunciation comes from her great musical training with her mom, Peisha. Great diction in singing is a long lost art and one you'll only see when you study the classics. In the pop/rock world--it's a great time to use the closed-captioning devices on your TV when you see someone sing on a show.

What's also great is that Kat's diction is just as good on the faster, hipper stuff off her album. She knows that making every word count in a song gives that added dimension to a song. The problem is, the majority of the 18-34 demographic out there probably don't care and may find someone who enunciates lyrics better in the pop world to be from another planet or even pretentious. I hope that wasn't one of the other turn-offs for those who didn't warm to Kat's album.

Just as long as Kat doesn't have to sing songs that have lyrics written in 19th century alliteration--then the word "pretentious" won't have to be said. Nevertheless, I'd love to hear her just speak a collection of romantic poems from the Romantic Era. Just using her speaking voice (with, yes, great diction) is underutilized.
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